The wealthiest 1% close to becoming richer than the entire upper middle class (illegal, crime)
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I would call it living in a society where we have agreed upon basic services that a society provides.
I never agreed to it, not once in my life. Where is the agreement that I signed, free from coercion or duress? Show it to me.
Or do you consider my acquiescence before an armed assailant the same as agreement?
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It seems like you have an issue with democracy.
democracy is simply tyranny of the majority and mob rule. Hell yes I have an issue with democracy. if 50.1% of the country decides tomorrow that I am a criminal and need to be locked in a cage for that which is legal today, then WHAM!, I am now a criminal and need to be locked in a cage. Yes...I have a problem with any form of involuntary governance where that is true.
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Is there a different form of government that you believe in?
Yes, the stateless society of voluntary association, property rights and non-aggression, also known as te absence of involuntary government.
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It also seems like you have no issue of robbing people of opportunity when power and wealth is concentrated in few hands in certain sectors and we get fewer and fewer choices to make in our market place.
Every monopoly in existence owes its existence and survival to the state. Monopolies cannot exist naturally and require external force and initiations of force to survive. What you consider a flaw of capitalism is actually a feature of statism.
I never agreed to it, not once in my life. Where is the agreement that I signed, free from coercion or duress? Show it to me.
I don't like democracy at all but this criticism is kind of two faced.
In a pure capitalist society private property would be just like the state.
If I am born under your property, then you have authority over my rights, and unless I leave, I have surrendered them to you involuntarily.
The government is the same way, they own the land and country, and lease it to citizens to be productive and increase revenue.
People have more wealth opportunities in a concentrated state so they stay. In fact the more complicated and developed a society becomes, the more top down control over individual behavior there will be. People need to work productively and consume to maintain wealth.
If America went the way you want natural business monopolies will form to keep the labor pool productive; monopolies aren't just big businesses, but also concentrations of capital through investors/land speculation.
If they keep market prices high (for public goods like housing/electricity/etc.) and average wages are low enough, people will need credit, and credit/loans can only come from a large pool of stable monetary funds. And eventually large holdings of private property laws will uphold that function of the state.
When you put a gun on people’s head and demand them to foot your bill, you are advocating slavery.
All of us should be paying the same amount of taxes. That equal and fair.
How is it not slavery when half of the country pays zero taxes and enjoy all the benefits?
Again this.
Ok, let's see. So the total collection from federal individual income taxes is about 1.82 trillion. Total population, let's say 330 million. So, that's about 5.5k per person, family of 4 - 22k. Wow, considering I was accused of money grab, I think I should just jump on this deal, this is so so much less than what we are paying now, lol.
Another great idea might be to also equalize the payroll taxes, they are taxes after all.
Ok, do you agree that democracy is coercion by the majority, dare I say maybe in you words "slavery" by the majority. We agree as a society what should be part of the public good.
Ok, let's see. So the total collection from federal individual income taxes is about 1.82 trillion. Total population, let's say 330 million. So, that's about 5.5k per person, family of 4 - 22k. Wow, considering I was accused of money grab, I think I should just jump on this deal, this is so so much less than what we are paying now, lol.
Another great idea might be to also equalize the payroll taxes, they are taxes after all.
In case you don’t know, the income tax we should be paying is zero.
I didn't read all of the posts, it is probably the same non sense repeated over and over in this forum. But I have a different idea. How about keeping the money rich people make away from the government, BUT give it to other entrepreneurs who can do something good with it? Once the people who accumulate wealth for the sole reason than putting in an offshore account and other tax havens then they lose their right to have it. The money will be given to people who can put it back to the economy where the money ORIGINALLY CAME FROM, AND SHOULD GO BACK TO.
What makes you think income US citizens earn and/or investments held in foreign banks and financial institutions isn't taxed? Never heard of FATCA?
I never agreed to it, not once in my life. Where is the agreement that I signed, free from coercion or duress? Show it to me.
Or do you consider my acquiescence before an armed assailant the same as agreement?
democracy is simply tyranny of the majority and mob rule. Hell yes I have an issue with democracy. if 50.1% of the country decides tomorrow that I am a criminal and need to be locked in a cage for that which is legal today, then WHAM!, I am now a criminal and need to be locked in a cage. Yes...I have a problem with any form of involuntary governance where that is true.
Yes, the stateless society of voluntary association, property rights and non-aggression, also known as te absence of involuntary government.
Every monopoly in existence owes its existence and survival to the state. Monopolies cannot exist naturally and require external force and initiations of force to survive. What you consider a flaw of capitalism is actually a feature of statism.
Well fortunately we have a set of rights in the constitution that pretty much guarantees that being locked up won't happen to you without a fair trial. Can you show me this society that doesn't have a state? Has this ever existed? Maybe you can argue for the hunter-gatherer era, but it was also pretty collectivist amongst the tribes. So you must be for open borders, free movement of the labor? Why should I have to pay someone a higher wage when I have a set of workers who will work for a lower wage, that is an impingement on my rights to a free market place.
It seems like we elect representatives to represent us you know. You're right we don't live in a straight down the board democracy. Good thing for you, you really wouldn't like it. We don't vote on every single measure in society. I don't know I think most people in society agrees that infrastructure, emergency services, national defense, etc. are public goods. You're opinion is in the minority. Apparently in your ideal society, none of this should be funded.
It seems like we elect representatives to represent us you know.
If I didn't vote for the representatives who represent us, I'm not being represented. Others' interests are being represented, but not mine.
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