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Old 11-10-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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There are a dozen or more whistleblowers coming forward. Trump's defensive wall has failed. They can't spill the beans fast enough. The swamp of his own creation is taking him down.
They will all need to testify and be subject to public cross examination then.

Either that, or this exercise is a kangaroo court and deserves to be "Dead on Arrival," which it apparently will be.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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Nothing Graham says now is creditable. He showed during the last 4 weeks how hard it is to stand with Trump.

Once the hearing's are held, if Trump is impeached. The Senate MUST hold the trial.

The GOP then must find a reason to not remove.

They will then have to stand by that reason forever.

The end of the party of law and order.

Actually, there is nothing that says they must act on the House's impeachment at all.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Boston
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the more you hear from Senate Republicans, the more likely this vote to remove may take place within an hour of it's consideration in the Senate. A big nothing burger ... again.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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It will help to track down the traitors involved in the attempt to remove the President (the plan discussed in Andy's office).

The exact history of when little Adam Shifty wrote the Whistle Liar memo through how the Whistle Liar became invovled and agreed to say what Adam wanted him to say....was he involved going back to the plan discussed in Andy's office (I think he was).
This ^^^^ (the bolded word) is Exhibit A for why the whistle blower should be kept anonymous and protected. The WB was acting very much within the law so cannot be a traitor by any stretch of the term. People who use that term to describe Americans who care deeply for the integrity of this country are the ones we need to be worried about.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Hunter Biden should testify also.

Why would the Dems not want to hear from Hunter?
If Hunter has broken any US laws, the FBI can handle it. If Hunter has broken any Ukraine laws, that is a matter for the Ukraines to deal with. We are only concerned with the act of extortion by Trump and Hunter cannot help him out there since there is no justifiable reason to extort or bribe a foreign country, especially done off the books by the President's private lawyer.

Trump is on trial, not Hunter.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Lol at you people calling government employees traitors for not having personal loyalty to Trump at all costs. Their first duty is to the country. In the discussions where removing him was considered, that was necessary because Trump’s unstable and reckless behavior was perceived as a threat to the country by these long serving career government professionals.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:30 PM
 
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This ^^^^ (the bolded word) is Exhibit A for why the whistle blower should be kept anonymous and protected. The WB was acting very much within the law so cannot be a traitor by any stretch of the term. People who use that term to describe Americans who care deeply for the integrity of this country are the ones we need to be worried about.
The "Whistelblower's" name is Eric Ciaramella.

It is known.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Since there is already a transcript of the call what is the need for the whistleblower testimony?
There is actually no transcript. There is a memo compiled from notes by some of those who listened to the call.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Senator Graham has made it clear that any so-called "Impeachment" vote will be "Dead on arrival" in the Senate, if the House bars the testimony and cross-examination of the Eric Ciaramella - "The Whistleblower" - during the House hearings.

Of course Senator Graham is right and any fair, justice minded Senator will agree, as the failure to included the testimony of the "Whistleblower" will establish this whole process as the illegitimate kangagroo court partisan lynch mob style process that it is increasingly clear that it has become.

Well said, Senator Graham.
However, if it was a Democrat president under identical circumstances, Graham, no doubt, would be all for impeachment. Since the Senate isn't under Democrat control, that's why I think pursuing impeachment is a foolish waste of time. It may only make Trump be more careful of what he's doing and make him less vulnerable in reelection from not doing or saying as many stupid things.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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If Hunter has broken any US laws, the FBI can handle it. If Hunter has broken any Ukraine laws, that is a matter for the Ukraines to deal with. We are only concerned with the act of extortion by Trump and Hunter cannot help him out there since there is no justifiable reason to extort or bribe a foreign country, especially done off the books by the President's private lawyer.

Trump is on trial, not Hunter.
If Joe Biden as VP used Hunter as a cut-out in order to peddle US influence, that is a legit matter for the US government to pursue. It appears that Joe/Hunter probably deliberately took their influence peddling off-shore where the FBI could not easily investigate.

And if they are just allowed to get away with it scot-free, we are guaranteed that other US politicians will follow the model in the future.
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