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Yes -- obviously! Hunter Biden wouldn't be testifying to what Trump did. He'd be testifying about what *he* and his father did. He'd be establishing that the investigation Trump wanted was legitimate or requested in good faith. How can you not grasp this immediately?
As for Schiff, his testimony will establish that Trump was not impeached for what he did but was instead impeached for solely partisan reasons. The is was not an organic reaction to egregious wrongdoing; it was a carefully scripted effort to take something and package it as an impeachable offense. For instance, the conspiracy with Atkinson to create a fraudulent whistleblower context in violation of the applicable statute for purposes of (1) putting a stamp of legitimacy on the Ciaramella report and (2) pretending that Barr and DOJ were trying to hide something incriminating from the public when in fact the IG's actions were clearly illegal.
The Bidens have absolutely nothing to do with Trump's actions, unless Trump wants to share the evidence he used to make a decision to ask Zelensky to announce (not necessarily take action on) an investigation into the Bidens.
Trump is the one who is about to go on trial. Geting Schiff and the Bidens to testify would amount to a sideshow. Ain't gonna happen.
Worse in what way? They are doing their jobs which is to uphold the Constitution. If doing their job means they lose the election, so be it. It is lot better than what the Republicans are doing, which is not doing their jobs, because Trump has bullied them into submission.
The Bidens have absolutely nothing to do with Trump's actions, unless Trump wants to share the evidence he used to make a decision to ask Zelensky to announce (not necessarily take action on) an investigation into the Bidens.
Trump is the one who is about to go on trial. Geting Schiff and the Bidens to testify would amount to a sideshow. Ain't gonna happen.
They could testify to things related to justification for Trumps actions, that's why questioning them would be relevant in any legitimate investigation.
You say it "aint' gonna happen", but you have to know if this nonsense goes to the Senate, there's no way it won't happen....so are you suggesting Democrats don't have the votes in the House? If so, you could be right.
Yes -- obviously!
Hunter Biden wouldn't be testifying to what Trump did. He'd be testifying about what *he* and his father did. He'd be establishing that the investigation Trump wanted was legitimate or requested in good faith. How can you not grasp this immediately?
Sorry, if he were to testify, there would be no illegal acts, no corruption that either he or his father was involved in. That has been corroborated by the Ukraines who found nothing. Trump will end up looking like a fool with a cockamamie conspiracy theory that has long ago been disproved and he looks dumb enough to believe it. But go ahead and try. Ooops, it's not up to you. I suspect Trump's lawyer is too smart to try something that has an unknown outcome like that and won't.
They could testify to things related to justification for Trumps actions, that's why questioning them would be relevant in any legitimate investigation.
You say it "aint' gonna happen", but you have to know if this nonsense goes to the Senate, there's no way it won't happen....so are you suggesting Democrats don't have the votes in the House? If so, you could be right.
You can't justify your actions with information you only discovered months after the fact. This should be self-evident to any thinking person.
You can't justify your actions with information you only discovered months after the fact. This should be self-evident to any thinking person.
The situation with Burisma's corruption is years old, clearly the president had an interest in it. In order to prove any wrongdoing happened, you have to prove that wasn't the case.....that his interest was entirely political and that he had no interest in that country investigating corruption.
The case you have to make is that there was nothing suspicious whatsoever to look into and that no one would think otherwise.
That case dies if you show that things really did look suspicious. It would be interesting to get Hunter Biden under oath and see where things go from there. Any legitimate House investigation would have included that already, but we both know it was just a political hatchet job from the start. Basically a desperation contingency plan after the Comey-Strzok "insurance policy" failed.
Sorry, if he were to testify, there would be no illegal acts, no corruption that either he or his father was involved in. That has been corroborated by the Ukraines who found nothing. Trump will end up looking like a fool with a cockamamie conspiracy theory that has long ago been disproved and he looks dumb enough to believe it. But go ahead and try. Ooops, it's not up to you. I suspect Trump's lawyer is too smart to try something that has an unknown outcome like that and won't.
Agree. Getting the Bidens to testify would make all of the Trump supporters look like complete fools in front of the cameras.
The situation with Burisma's corruption is years old, clearly the president had an interest in it. In order to prove any wrongdoing happened, you have to prove that wasn't the case.....that his interest was entirely political and that he had no interest in that country investigating corruption.
The case you have to make is that there was nothing suspicious whatsoever to look into and that no one would think otherwise.
That case dies if you show that things really did look suspicious. It would be interesting to get Hunter Biden under oath and see where things go from there. Any legitimate House investigation would have included that already, but we both know it was just a political hatchet job from the start. Basically a desperation contingency plan after the Comey-Strzok "insurance policy" failed.
No. If the question is Trump's state of mind (e.g., was he acting in personal benefit or in furtherance of US policy) then only what he knew at the time is relevant. If the police draw up a totally fake warrant fabricating that that they saw a 6' tall blonde carrying drugs into house, that by happenstance they find a 6' tall blonde inside would not magically validate the warrant. The same concept applies here. Whether Trump acted in his personal interests when he suspended the aid does not depend on whether it ultimately turns out that Hunter Biden was corrupt.
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Agree. Getting the Bidens to testify would make all of the Trump supporters look like complete fools in front of the cameras.
This is probably true. I don't see why Trump supporters believe that Hunter Biden would to testify to anything other than trading on his dad's name. Do people really expect he is going to go up there and testify that he improperly pressured his father to fire Shokin? Especially after Bill Taylor already testified that Joe Biden was advancing official US policy - and not personal interests - when firing Shokin, testifying that Joe Biden was acting in Hunter's interests rather than US interests would not only make no sense, it would be a lie.
"the President placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States"
Well that's been pretty much true since day one. Now it's official, and part of the historical record.
But is there a law against doing that? Republicans don't think so as long as the president is a Republican.
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