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Old 01-07-2020, 07:46 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Presumably B-52s would be a follow-on force for use after the Iranian air defenses are taken down. Or possibly they'll be used in Iraq.
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Old 01-07-2020, 07:54 PM
 
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744 or 78 makes no difference. They are not a deterrence in today's world. The only deterrence is Jets. Sending in numerous F-35's into the region is a deterrence. Sending in B-52's says nothing. Have none of you learned nothing in relation to modern day warfare?
A 900% mistake in your numbers makes a bit of difference I would think.

Here we go again....yes we and a few others here tried to give people like you a lesson in modern day warfare. Oh yeah we really expect air superiority to be an issue, fighting the puny Iranian air force and their obsolete cold war era fighters. Fighters have limited use in this scenario.
This is like the third time we've said what the use of B52's are for in modern warfare - air launching of cruise missiles. Yeah F-35's are multi-role and can carry a cruise missile and have their place, but why use expensive stealth fighters with limited range and ordnance to delivery one single cruise missile when we have B52's that can fire up to 20 cruise missiles at a time 500 miles away from the target. THAT is modern warfare.

But I am trying to tell this to a guy that doesn't realize that a B-52 is jet powered, so....

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Old 01-07-2020, 08:06 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Actually, the Iranians have much longer memories than 1979. They haven't forgotten 1953, where the US, egged on by the British, who initiated a economic boycott because they were upset over the oil nationalization plans in Iran, overthrew a democratically elected prime minister through a coup d'etat. That lead to the Shah's absolute and repressive political control in Iran.

Wonder why the Iranians may be displeased with the US (and the UK)?
Absolutely true. This is an absolute example of why, when people say "we need too trust the CIA",I laugh out loud.
How many massive screwups has the CIA either been the cause of or had their filthy hands in?

Hmmmm perhaps I'll list a few.
Bay of Pigs?
Vietnam?
Iran Contra?
El Salvador?
Afghanistan?
Iraq?

The person questioning the validity of B-52's needs to do their home work. The airframes are dated, but the machine is lethal.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:13 PM
 
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Iran is not capable of causing US casualties during air strikes or missile attacks....

Your guys are in a pretty bad situation.
You guys? Another rightie accusing those who aren't as hawkish as him if being Iranian sympathisers? Sorry, but that reeks of McCarthyism.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:16 PM
 
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A 1000% mistake in your numbers makes a bit of difference I would think.

Here we go again....yes we and a few others here tried to give people like you a lesson in modern day warfare. Oh yeah we really expect air superiority to be an issue, fighting the puny Iranian air force and their obsolete cold war era fighters. Fighters have limited use in this scenario.
This is like the third time we've said what the use of B52's are for in modern warfare - air launching of cruise missiles. Yeah F-35's are multi-role and can carry a cruise missile and have their place, but why use expensive stealth fighters with limited range and ordnance to delivery one single cruise missile when we have B52's that can fire up to 20 cruise missiles at a time 500 miles away from the target. THAT is modern warfare.

But I am trying to tell this to a guy that doesn't realize that a B-52 is jet powered, so....
Our F-35s may be used to sneak in destroy Iranian air defenses to clear the way for the B-52s. Am I right?
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Our F-35s may be used to sneak in destroy Iranian air defenses to clear the way for the B-52s. Am I right?
That and cruise missiles. Sorry I have only so much faith in the F-35. It is no F-22. That stealth better be better than advertised.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:18 PM
 
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Iran is not capable of causing US casualties during air strikes or missile attacks....

Your guys are in a pretty bad situation.
Air strikes no, but Iran has plenty of missiles, including ballistic, and have been investing heavily in that technology. They can't reach the US but they can reach our regional bases and Israel.
If they wanted to they can do some considerable damage. The key is "if they wanted to". There missles are intended as area denial weapons and not really for this scenario. We saw a very limited and measured attack tonight and clearly they didn't want to incur serious damage as they know what the US response would be.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:20 PM
 
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The FAA banned all American airlines from operating over Iran, Iraq, and the Gulf. The order was given hours after the missile attack. How many think that us a prelude to a US air assualt in response to today's events? 52 F-35s drilled in Utah, which of course equals the number of targets Trump threatened to hit. And we have moved V-52s to the region, along with the Garry Truman task force.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:24 PM
 
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Our F-35s may be used to sneak in destroy Iranian air defenses to clear the way for the B-52s. Am I right?
Well, with the range of our cruise missiles the B52s won't be in danger from surface to air missiles, they can sit off in the Indian Ocean and let them go. But F35's have there place for instance in quick and precise targeting of fixed and better yet mobile missile sights that must be targeted quickly before they run off, for sure.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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That and cruise missiles. Sorry I have only so much faith in the F-35. It is no F-22. That stealth better be better than advertised.
I think that you should have a little more faith in the F-35, Israel sure does:
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Israel, flying US-made F-35 Lightning IIs have routinely flown hundreds of kilometers through Syrian airspace 'protected' by Russian S-300 and their new, highly-touted S-400 air defense systems with impunity.

See: Russia Can't Stop Israel's F-35 Stealth Fighters

Further proof is that no Russian fighters were ever scrambled to intercept!
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