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Old 01-07-2020, 10:43 AM
 
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I would like to think to give those people the chance to self govern without a dictator or repressive government. I don't think those people want to be governed that way...…..

They do want a repressive Islamic government. That's exactly what they want.



That's why the secular Attaturk experiment in Turkey (and for that matter, in Iraq) only lasted as long as it was enforced by an authoritarian military, and we see it failing the moment the Muslim population gets to vote for what they really want.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No issue?

Sweetheart, you really need to study history.
Sweetie, you need to learn to comprehend what you read. I was responding to someone who suggested we don't have an issue. Now go play with the dog.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:48 AM
 
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...as long as they were "free" underneath someone we wanted in charge. Tends to be the US prerequisite.

The US had a window in the late 40s to have put Ho Chi Minh into our pocket. He would have still been a Communist, but he could have been "our" Communist. There had also been a window to put Castro into ur pocket. Hell, the US could have bought Castro with a lifetime World Series box seat.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:50 AM
 
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I think I would de-esculate if six B-52's were ready to bomb my country.

That's because you're thinking the way a white colonial power thinks colonized natives ought to think.


But formerly colonized natives don't think that way.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Simple, I like it.


I could also go with, keep your radical Islam stuff on your side of the world, don't attack American people or property, and start behaving like it's 2020.
Iran never attacked us.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Trump is no puppet of the CIA, or McMasters, Kelley & Bolton would still have a job.

The supranational economic forces that want a US war with Iran are above the paygrade of the president, and far above the CIA.
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Old 01-07-2020, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Boston
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If the end game is to stop global terrorism, then getting millions of Iranians to vow revenge seems a poor start.

Just sayin'.
they've been proclaiming "death to America" for decades
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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They are useless against nay country that has even a hint of a modern AA system. Even in the recent conflicts with Iraq, they mostly were used to shoot standoff missiles. Afghanistan was no issue because they never had AA systems anyway, not any that could touch that altitude.
That's why B52's are now more air missile delivery platforms that anything else (standoff as you say). Now they carry precision GPS guided, jam proof cruise missiles. We can "reach out and touch" from a range of 500 miles once launched from the bomber.
We won't need them, because Iran would be crazy to escalate to a point where we would need them. But just in case....

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Iran never attacked us.
Is that a joke or just naive? Of course they did, Iran has been using proxies to kill American's (as well as our allies) for decades. The rocket attack that killed the American Contractor and wounded several others in Kirkuk was delivered by a Shiite militia supported by Iran's revolutionary guard, the general of which was sent to hell. You do know that group was declared a terrorist organization, right?

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Old 01-07-2020, 12:12 PM
 
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I could see deploying them for show to take out low hanging fruit targets, basically a repeat of Operation Praying Mantis. Hit naval assets only. There is no ground damage, potential for civilian casualties very low, no infrastructure damage, inflicts real damage yet greatly minimizes damage to the country itself.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:57 PM
 
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Is that a joke or just naive? Of course they did, Iran has been using proxies to kill American's (as well as our allies) for decades. The rocket attack that killed the American Contractor and wounded several others in Kirkuk was delivered by a Shiite militia supported by Iran's revolutionary guard, the general of which was sent to hell. You do know that group was declared a terrorist organization, right?

It's not like they took down the World Trade Center.


Now, those guys....
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