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Old 01-16-2020, 11:00 AM
 
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A finding of illegal behavior (and to be sure, this is an opinion) for policy reasons/reasons of legal interpretation should NEVER form the basis of impeachment. And to be clear, the GAO did not find that the administration broke the law based on the reasons provided by House Democrats in their sham impeachment. If that was the case, the House (then led by Republicans) would be justified in impeaching Obama after courts (in actual legal findings) found that Obama violated the law when he ordered DACA and DAPA. Or when the Supreme Court UNANIMOUSLY ruled that Obama violated the Constitution when making "recess" appointments despite the fact that the Senate was not in recess. But we don't engage in partisan impeachment efforts based on differences in policy or legal interpretation.
If Trump put an illegal hold on Ukraine for policy reasons I'm sure Congress would not have impeached. They would have grumbled and protested, but not impeach. Where Trump crossed the line is that he did the illegal hold for his own personal reelection campaign, to serve himself.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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If Trump put an illegal hold on Ukraine for policy reasons I'm sure Congress would not have impeached. They would have grumbled and protested, but not impeach. Where Trump crossed the line is that he did the illegal hold for his own personal reelection campaign, to serve himself.
WRONG

Not Congress. It was just House Democrats.(and not even all of them)

Not one Republican voted for it.

And the US Senate hasn't dealt with it yet.


It's the first 100% partisan impeachment in the history of the USA.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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If Trump put an illegal hold on Ukraine for policy reasons I'm sure Congress would not have impeached. They would have grumbled and protested, but not impeach. Where Trump crossed the line is that he did the illegal hold for his own personal reelection campaign, to serve himself.
Investigating graft, which tied to aid that is under the President's purview, is not "serving himself".

The Bidens don't get to give themselves political umbrella from clear corruption just because one is running for President. Which is what is being attempted here. As the Dems like to say, "no one is above the law". Except for them, apparently.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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That's not what happened though. They didn't "attempt" to withhold anything, they released it ahead of the time they had to.
Surely the GAO office took the timeline into account but still found Trump broke the law.

The Trump supporter talking point -- an impeachment without a crime -- died today. RIP.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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Surely the GAO office took the timeline into account but still found Trump broke the law.

The Trump supporter talking point -- an impeachment without a crime -- died today. RIP.

In an environment in which the communists rendered every institution as politicized, your "nonpartisan" opinion reference means exactly nothing. Btw, timed perfectly to be political in nature. The only thing that has died is communist credibility in regard to anything they do or say, and we've been smelling the corpse for three years now. Your melodramatic statements are no better.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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It's the first 100% partisan impeachment in the history of the USA.
That shows the extent that Trump has cowed the Republicans in Congress. They are scared to death of him. The problem is not the Democrats, it is the spineless Republicans in office.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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In an environment in which the communists rendered every institution as politicized, your "nonpartisan" opinion reference means exactly nothing. Btw, timed perfectly to be political in nature. The only thing that has died is communist credibility in regard to anything they do or say, and we've been smelling the corpse for three years now. Your melodramatic statements are no better.
So which of your comments magically negates the fact that the GAO found the withholding of aid to be illegal?
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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Trump enablers have no excuses left.

It's hearsay....They heard first hand witnesses while obstructing testimony from other first hand witnesses.

Trump was investigating corruption.... Trump didn't mention corruption on the call or in the other evidence presented. He wanted an announcement of a investigation into the Bidens for his own personal gain.

There is no evidence.... There are emails, text message, What's App messages. written memos etc.

There is no crime.... The GAO stated that Trump broke the law.

The list goes on and on...
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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So which of your comments magically negates the fact that the GAO found the withholding of aid to be illegal?
And the OMB says they are wrong. BTW, the claim of illegality is coming from a Democrat in the House where the story originated.



In any case it's an "opinion". Let the Congress impeach him over it if they think he broke the law. Meanwhile Trump will continue on winning day after day.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:17 AM
 
Location: NC
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It would be as if you had until april 15th to file your taxes and you didn't file until the 14th. the dems would have you arrested for tax evasion!
More like saying that you got caught shoplifting, but they stopped you inside the store, and trying to use that as your defense. Nope, still illegal

More like trying to kill someone, but they live, and saying you didn't commit a crime. Wrong again.

More like robbing a bank, taking hostages, and when the police come, letting everyone go and saying "Just kidding". Also illegal....


Only in the world of Trump is "Failure" something to be proud of, and a reason to be reelected....
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