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Old 01-16-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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Another nail into the coffin.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I see the other shoe dropped and this is just another load of deep-state/DemocRAT BS.

Remember, Trump is winning on America's behalf. MAGA.
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The problem is that Trump and his cult think America only consists of himself and the 40% who support him unquestionably. Trump and his followers are doing everything in their power to minimalize and disenfranchise the other 60%. The strategy is manifested daily in this forum and especially the twitter universe, which Trump has completely coopted for his own self aggrandizement and the demeaning of the "other" 60%.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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LMAO..An OPINION by an Obama appointee. This is NOT factual. Threatening to do something is NOT illegal unless you actually do it.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:56 AM
 
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This is a duplicate thread and should be merged with the multiple threads already started on this topic. Perhaps try scanning the thread list before creating new ones. Until then, here's the duplicated response:


What is illegal and not illegal, especially these days, is hardly for anyone but a court to decide. And even that's getting dicey given the FISA abuses.

Even claiming a so-called "watchdog group" is nonpartisan is evidence of its corruption and unmitigated attempt to deceive in this environment.

Nonpartisanship clearly does not exist in 2019, when investigations justified on Kremlin propaganda and then clearly-partisan impeachment is used to overturn an election: all promoted by a clearly partisan propaganda-press.

This is obviously timed impeachment propaganda before the Senate dismisses this. Facilitated by our "non-partisan" propaganda outlets who were apoplectic over Trump (openly biased against him) even before he was elected . Its timing isn't even "non-partisan", let alone anything else about it.

The Democrat Vice President's son was participating in graft that is clearly tied to Ukraine's aid, per his father's Ukraine involvement during the Obama Presidency.

That graft, and the aid it is connected to, are every bit the purview of the current administration; and therefore they had every right to withhold it contingent on an investigation into Biden's corruption.

This impeachment is about two things:

1. Protecting democrat political and financial corruption avenues

2. Overturning the 2016 election results.

The Democrats are a lost cause, the nation sees it, and the worst part of all of this is that everyone knows that the Press and the progressives are now hopelessly corrupt. Which, specifically, is a terminal result for this nation's system and social fabric.

When everyone knows that everyone knows that what is on television (the news) and in the House is corrupt, the system is done.

For Pete's sake, the democrats are the party that rigged their own primary in 2016 and everyone knows it.

If that doesn't tell you that what I'm saying is correct, then you are a lost cause and politically irrelevant as well.
Impeachment is what you do when you have to run against...
  • the record economy
  • the record unemployment for blacks, hispanics, women
  • the record high median wages
  • the fact that we are the top oil/energy producer
  • the trade agreement w/ China and the UMSCA
  • real resistance to Iran, ISIS
  • overhauling the judiciary
  • protecting American from illegal immigration
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:01 PM
 
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LMAO..An OPINION by an Obama appointee. This is NOT factual. Threatening to do something is NOT illegal unless you actually do it.
The current head of the GAO was chosen from "a list of candidates selected by a bipartisan, bicameral congressional commission." He was the Chief Executive Officer (2nd highest person) of the GAO throughout the entire Bush administration and was elevated to Acting Comptroller General only after his boss retired in 2008. He first joined the GAO under Nixon. GTFO with your partisan appointee crap.
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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If Trump put an illegal hold on Ukraine for policy reasons I'm sure Congress would not have impeached. They would have grumbled and protested, but not impeach. Where Trump crossed the line is that he did the illegal hold for his own personal reelection campaign, to serve himself.
The explanation notes a policy difference. The authorization that allowed such a hold was based on a different legal interpretation. We don't impeach presidents for having differing legal opinions. That's what the courts are for. If so, Obama should have been impeached for illegally appointing officials while the Senate was still in session (he argued the Senate was in recess though it was clearly not), but something tells me youd have a problem with that

Moving on, your rebuttal would mean more if what the GAO found was actually what Democrats impeached the president for. But it's not. And the GAO does not put forward the partisan Democrat excuse for the hold to help a personal re-election campaign Democrats are on their own there. But it shouldn't shock you given that democrats have been holding votes to impeach the president since he took office (this was attempt 3 or 4 I believe). As I've mentioned before, when there can be numerous reasons behind an act, actual intent is required. Democrats provided their guess on why the president did what he did (i.e. to target a political opponent for partisan reasons) despite no proof of intent.
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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you are of course referring to the barack hussein obama administration, correct? He was the first half black president with six names and taxi cab ears.
o.d.s.
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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The current head of the GAO was chosen from "a list of candidates selected by a bipartisan, bicameral congressional commission." He was the Chief Executive Officer (2nd highest person) of the GAO throughout the entire Bush administration and was elevated to Acting Comptroller General only after his boss retired in 2008. He first joined the GAO under Nixon. GTFO with your partisan appointee crap.
Partisan or bi-partisan is no longer the issue since plenty in both parties have lined up against Trump.
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:07 PM
 
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Partisan or bi-partisan is no longer the issue since plenty in both parties have lined up against Trump.
Yes, nothing says "non-partisan" more than dismissing anything and everything that doesn't equate to Trump ballwashing as "fake" or "partisan" or "deep state", right DRob?
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I wonder if McConnell, GOP, Trump supporters will even care that Trump's withholding Ukraine was illegal? Seems illegality is in the eye of the beholder these days.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...ffice-n1117031
So what.

Obama broke a hundred laws and was protected every step of the way.
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