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All this moaning and groaning doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Burisma may have been a corrupt company, Zlochevsky may have hired Biden for his name, to give his company some credibility, but at the end of the day, WHAT corrupt acts did Biden supposedly commit??? Just sitting on the board collecting a paycheck isn't criminal. What acts are you accusing Biden of?
The potentially corrupt act that Joe Biden committed, and has bragged about-on camera-is blackmailing Ukraine with US taxpayer dollars to remove the prosecutor investigating Burisma. The "potentially" qualifier involves motivation. Was it done in order to enrich the Biden family? The supposition is that the only reason Hunter had the job was access/influence peddling using his father's position for the benefit of Burisma. Now-does having a prosecutor investigating your company removed from his position benefit that company???
No. If Biden was sent by the State Department and instructed to push to oust Shokin, his very-public efforts to oust Shokin could not have been corrupt. Full stop.
What Trump did was secretly suspend aid in direct contravention to (and undermining) US policy in a manner the GAO has already determined to be illegal. You don't even need to go any further than that (e.g., Trump's motive) to see where these two situations diverge.
You don't seem to understand chain of command. The State dept answers to the President, and by nature of the office, the Vice President. Let's see, who might that be? Oh yeah, Joe Biden!
So Secretly, that even Ukraine didn't know it! How does that work?
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Unintentionally nailed it. Correct - no one cared before Joe was a candidate. That is precisely the issue. Precisely. Well done.
So, if a person who had possibly committed a crime in his last official government position, it is OK for him to run for a higher office, because it would be a no-no to investigate him? Can't even say that we have to investigate him because we can't count on the voters to see through his criminality? Those words seem familiar to you? The house managers were saying the same thing about Trump.
All this moaning and groaning doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Burisma may have been a corrupt company, Zlochevsky may have hired Biden for his name, to give his company some credibility, but at the end of the day, WHAT corrupt acts did Biden supposedly commit??? Just sitting on the board collecting a paycheck isn't criminal. What acts are you accusing Biden of?
Which Biden are you talking about? You could say that Hunter did nothin g illegal, other than financially benefitting from the fact that his father was VP. OTOH, you could say that Joe Biden was guilty of conflict of interest by interfering in a Ukraine investigation in order to protect his son.
So, if a person who had possibly committed a crime in his last official government position, it is OK for him to run for a higher office, because it would be a no-no to investigate him? Can't even say that we have to investigate him because we can't count on the voters to see through his criminality? Those words seem familiar to you? The house managers were saying the same thing about Trump.
THIS. ACTIVITY. WAS. KNOWN. By Congress. By the media. By anyone who cared to be informed.
Why was "corrupt" activity by a Vice President A-OK, so long as he didn't run for future office? Why didn't the GOP scream bloody murder when it happened, since they are now all completely convinced it was obviously corrupt?
No new information has come to light since the day it happened all the way up until now. What changed? Someone posed a threat to Trump, that's what.
You don't seem to understand chain of command. The State dept answers to the President, and by nature of the office, the Vice President. Let's see, who might that be? Oh yeah, Joe Biden!
So Secretly, that even Ukraine didn't know it! How does that work?
It has nothing to do with the chain of command. If Biden was pushing to have Shokin removed at the behest of the State Department, then he was not doing so for personal reasons. Get it?
The potentially corrupt act that Joe Biden committed, and has bragged about-on camera-is blackmailing Ukraine with US taxpayer dollars to remove the prosecutor investigating Burisma. The "potentially" qualifier involves motivation. Was it done in order to enrich the Biden family? The supposition is that the only reason Hunter had the job was access/influence peddling using his father's position for the benefit of Burisma. Now-does having a prosecutor investigating your company removed from his position benefit that company???
Joe Biden was acting at the behest of the Obama administration and the international community. There is nothing corrupt there.
The supposition is that Hunter had the job because his name added credibility to Burisma.
The prosecutor wasn't doing any investigating. That was the problem. Per the international community.
You can't explain away Great Britain complaints about the prosecutor. So you ignore them.
And you cannot provide any actual crime that Hunter Biden might have committed, that would explain his father wanting to protect him.
There is no evidence that Joe or Hunter Biden were involved in any corruption.
My problem with all this is that Burisma had a terrible reputation. Joe Biden had a staff that was tasked with protecting the Vice President and the administration from taint, and yet no one on that staff said boo when Hunter was asked to join the board of Burisma? Who dropped the ball? That's the problem, here, incompetence, not corruption.
Which Biden are you talking about? You could say that Hunter did nothin g illegal, other than financially benefitting from the fact that his father was VP. OTOH, you could say that Joe Biden was guilty of conflict of interest by interfering in a Ukraine investigation in order to protect his son.
You realize "conflict of interest" isn't a crime right?
There is a very obvious conflict of interest around Trump constantly traveling to, and staying at, his resort properties. That doesn't make it illegal. Nor does anyone in the GOP seem terribly interested in investigating the ethics of it. Odd.
Which Biden are you talking about? You could say that Hunter did nothin g illegal, other than financially benefitting from the fact that his father was VP. OTOH, you could say that Joe Biden was guilty of conflict of interest by interfering in a Ukraine investigation in order to protect his son.
If the prosecutor was actually conducting an investigation, and not lining his pockets using his office (which is what the international community thought Shokin was doing).
Joe Biden did what he was told to do. There's no corruption there.
Hunter Biden sat on a board of a company headed by a man who was very corrupt, but there is nothing to indicate that Hunter was involved with any corruption himself.
Again, the fact that Hunter Biden joined this board, and that none of the Vice-President's staff objected, demonstrates, in my opinion, incompetence. And that is the issue, for me.
THIS. ACTIVITY. WAS. KNOWN. By Congress. By the media. By anyone who cared to be informed.
Why was "corrupt" activity by a Vice President A-OK, so long as he didn't run for future office? Why didn't the GOP scream bloody murder when it happened, since they are now all completely convinced it was obviously corrupt?
No new information has come to light since the day it happened all the way up until now. What changed? Someone posed a threat to Trump, that's what.
Why can't you understand that it wasn't until after he bragged about doing it in 2018, that the pressure to look into it increased to the point that the people responsible to look into it started doing so? Most people did not see the brag until about the time he announced. Both sides, left and right, have people that don't pay attention to things politicians do until someone shoves it in their face. But those people on the left don't seem to care if it is one of their own. At least those on the right seem to care more about the country than they do for the party. And before you say I could be talking about what Trump has done, remember that the left's criticism of Trump is that he wanted to initiate an investigation into the Biden Burisma controversy. It is the job of a president to oversee stuff like this.
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