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Old 02-21-2020, 06:21 AM
 
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The only reason we have crappy health care is because the government helps to create monopolies in every area from pharmaceutical companies to health insurance to hospitals and doctors through licensing, regulations, approvals and outright prohibition.

It’s time to give the government more power to create more monopolies!
"]The only reason we have crappy health care"


We? Speak for yourself ONLY!
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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There was a time when doctors could finish all of their education in 6 years. I know a doctor who retired about 3 years ago, and that's how he went through medical school. They should reintroduce these types of programs. They will likely just bring doctors from 3rd world countries though, because it's better than allowing the entire system to collapse.
Good luck getting that proposal through the democratic party funding universities.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:57 AM
 
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There was a time when doctors could finish all of their education in 6 years. I know a doctor who retired about 3 years ago, and that's how he went through medical school. They should reintroduce these types of programs. They will likely just bring doctors from 3rd world countries though, because it's better than allowing the entire system to collapse.
Those "six year programs" were available through only the top 20 med schools. Those who were granted admission to the six year programs were EXCEPTIONAL students and were never intended for the average med student.

One of my buddies who was in the Northwestern six year program: Perfect SAT, first piano Chicago youth symphony, state champion wrestler, Illinois 100 meters champ (and a white guy), prep McDonalds all American tailback on his highschool football team.

That was the type of guy admitted to the six year programs- super human freaks of nature.

I can tell you that 99.9% of American highschool seniors are not mature enough to enter medical school. In fact, MANY college graduates are not mature enough to enter medical school, which is why we have seen more and more older students. When I graduated from med school (35 years ago), essentially all of my classmates were 22-23 years old. It was tough, but essentially everyone was able to handle it. Today, that is not the case, thus schools are selecting more "mature" students to enter medical school.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:01 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The vast majority of ailments can be treated by someone with a masters. You could pay said person say 2K a week like any employee. School nurses correctly diagnose flu, ear infections etc 999999 times a year and it isn't rocket science for one to say, "I am unqualified to diagnose your chest pains."
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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T
many boomers will be in their 80s by then and need extremely intensive health care services on a daily basis.

My father is 89 lives on his own on 3 acres of land which he maintains, delivers meals on wheels, drives old ladies to church and participates regularly in community service. He has never needed intensive health care services on a daily basis. Most of his peers and friends are also this way. Of course you can play word games to make statements like this true. Yes, every day there is and will be at least one or two people over 80 who need intensive health care services so you can get away with saying people over 80 need such services on a daily basis. Of course that it also true of people over 30 or over 23, even people over 6 months.

When you exaggerate to try to make a point, it wipes out any credibility that you might have. If your position was valid, you would not need exaggeration. therefore exaggeration tends to demonstrate your position is unsupportable with real facts. You can do better
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Congress funds medical residencies. Until it pays for more slots, medical schools cannot graduate more doctors.
And why is that?



Could it be because Congress has monopolized funding?

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The AMA has nothing to do with the supply of physicians and has long supported increasing the number of medical residencies.

https://www.ama-assn.org/education/g...ical-education

"Workforce experts predict that the United States will face a shortage of approximately 90,000 physicians by the year 2025. To protect patient access to care, the AMA continues to support legislation to increase Graduate Medical Education (GME) positions instead of cutting the federal funding that supports physician training."

Importing foreign docs won't help because the vast majority have to do a US residency.
The AMA continues to support the gangsters who have rationed doctors for nearly 100 years. Got it.

Importing foreign docs won't help because the vast majority have to do a U.S. residency at behest of AMA-supported regulation.

Got it again. This is fun.

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No, medical errors are not the third leading cause of death in the US. That figure comes from a terribly flawed analysis based on a very small number of deaths in which every adverse outcome - preventable or not - was deemed an "error". Those deaths were in hospitalized mostly Medicare age patients and the numbers were then extrapolated to all the deaths of all ages in the country. It was a terrible paper and has been roundly criticized here and abroad.

The figure is totally implausible.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are...-2019-edition/

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/02...use-death.html

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ath-criticized
So you admit that government-programs kill more folks than at least somewhat more privatized systems?

Got it again. Thanks.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:59 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The government needs to ease the restrictions on practicing medicine to allow NPs, PAs and others to diagnose and treat simple and common conditions.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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The whole health care system is going to fall apart by 2030 anyway. It will be a third-world quality health care system regardless for a majority, so might as well have low taxes rather than a tax-payer scheme that socializes the costs.

A high majority of new doctors are females and based on past patters many will be part-timers only. All this while morbid obesity skyrockets to 24% for all Americans and 70 million are senior-citizens and many boomers will be in their 80s by then and need extremely intensive health care services on a daily basis.

A majority of those in medical school are women and 31% of female physicians with children work part-time compared to 5% of men.

So basically many of new doctors will be only part-timers to care for their children.

All this while, morbid obesity is suppose to skyrocket to 24% based on current models. With rates of 27% for women and 32% for lower-income Americans by 2030.

All this while there are 70 million plus Americans over 65.

There has also been a rapid rise in overdoses, alcoholism and other ailments.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1909301

https://www.aarp.org/livable-communi...d-figures.html

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/p...pplicants-2018

https://www.city-journal.org/part-ti...-professionals


And just 4% from every tax payer (income over $29k ) will make this all go away, if Bernie get's his way..right
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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Since obesity has been declared a desired and valued health condition by SJW and 'fat shamer' activists, does that mean that all the medical issues with it go away? I mean politics = science, right?
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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This is why Medicare for all is supported by 70% of the American people.
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