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"The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it. "
I'm wondering once the 28 % that "somewhat " support it, see what it might end up costing them they will change their minds.
Hell, I'm even in the somewhat support it camp, who doesn't want free healthcare...except what is the real cost going to be ? Then I will make my decision. There is no way to realistically figure this out, it is all just a guessing game.
From all the numbers I've seen, it will cost a friend of ours, whom happens to employ my wife and 3 others roughly $250k more a year between the M4All and tax increases. He said at that point, he will just retire. So, yeah, losing a six figure salary for free health care doesn't quite work out for us.
This business owner always supports paying our way.
To note that many business owners are selfish and would rather pocket money than spend it on sustainable care for human beings (including their own employees and families) is not exactly rocket science.
I know many very wealthy people who won't part with a dime of their own money if Medicare doesn't cover things.
Our system is set up to reward maximum selfishness, whereas it should work somewhat the other way around. Greed isn't good when it comes to public policy.
In the end any smart long term business owners (or citizen) would rather spend 8K per year and cover everyone than 12K per year (per person) and have trillion dollar deficits and 30 million uninsured with many more underinsured.
It's just plain common sense - which is apparently uncommon in the USA these days.
Yeah, my wife's selfish employer doesn't offer any health care. Instead she gets random $100 bills, and $50 gas cards. Probably $300 or so a month. Not to mention her slightly under six figure salary. I'm contract , so no help from my employer either. We pay $675 a month for private insurance.
We are perfectly happy with this set up. Sure, free would be great, but not at more expense.
"The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it. "
I'm wondering once the 28 % that "somewhat " support it, see what it might end up costing them they will change their minds.
Hell, I'm even in the somewhat support it camp, who doesn't want free healthcare...except what is the real cost going to be ? Then I will make my decision. There is no way to realistically figure this out, it is all just a guessing game.
From all the numbers I've seen, it will cost a friend of ours, whom happens to employ my wife and 3 others roughly $250k more a year between the M4All and tax increases. He said at that point, he will just retire. So, yeah, losing a six figure salary for free health care doesn't quite work out for us.
Polling 2,989 people about a concept as complicated as M4A, is not meaningful.
What if we don’t have any licensing, permits or regulations? How many more people would enter healthcare? How much cheaper and available healthcare would be? How many lives would it save, particularly for the poor?
Why do I need the government’s permission to treat someone, open an insurance company, decide what to insure, buy and sell medicines, try new medicines, decide when to continue or terminate treatment?
Why? Are we slaves or are we free people?
Are you going to allow me to perform open heart surgery on you?
People tend to defend polls when outcomes seem to validate their own perceptions and dismiss them, when they don’t.
Almost 50% pay no net federal income taxes. So there's 50% of your 70% who want it. They're already living in the U.S. at a reduced tax rate (they still pay payroll taxes, sales tax, ect.).
So, that leaves the remaining 20% that also want free stuff (M4all). Most of these are contributing $'s from their paychecks for their healthcare. They want that payroll deduction to end, and have the 30% above them pay for it.
So, there's your 70%. Those evil top 30% OWE it to us!
This all sounds so good when you are in the bottom 70%, but it's bad when you are in the top 30%, and saved harder, worked longer, & took greater risks, to get into the top 30%.
What free stuff ignores, are employers who close their business because the load of carrying 70% of America on their backs was no longer worth it...like me. I'm debt free, & never need to work again, so I just shut it down, and people lost their jobs. I didn't even bother trying to sell it.
Or, larger employers who downsize, & automate to eliminate employees to offset higher taxes that pay for the "free stuff".
In the end, the bottom 70% pays for it too, just in other ways. It winds up hurting them more too as evidenced by the growing wealth/wage gaps. The more free stuff, the greater these gaps.
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