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Old 02-21-2020, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It is already socialized when that industry owns the government.
True.

The only difference between the teams is where to socialize and to what extent. Both versions of their Marxist utopia are terrible. As I've always said though when it comes to health care/insurance at the very least Team Blue will have us all suffer more equitably. It's something to put on your tombstone...which isn't far off under socialized medicine.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No, it forces everyone (after a certain poverty threshold) to pay in and gives everyone the benefits. It's the cheapest and easiest system and one the rest of the world has correct in viewing health care as a human right.

It will make our nation as a whole healthier, happier, and SO much more stress free.
You don't have a right to anyones money or services. Society doesn't progress through theft and coercion.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You don't have a right to anyones money or services. Society doesn't progress through theft and coercion.
To be morally and logically consistent you would have to call for the end of all taxation, regulation, and the role of the State (if not the State itself) in every single industry/interaction between private parties.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:32 PM
 
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Bravo! Government meddling and greed is how we got here. They all decided to bribe big pharma, hospitals, medical manufacturers, insurance company's, ect.. So, they bribed them, got rich, and got re-elected while we all got shafted. Bernie's right in this regard.

The more you get government out of any business, the more efficient it is. That means lower cost, higher quality service, and faster service. Sure, some regulation is needed, but its gone 1000 times too far.

Look to Singapore and Peru for best practices, not Europe.
Get business out of the government.


Industry Total
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $4,364,027,980
Insurance $2,933,953,510
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:34 PM
 
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If you want great healthcare then join a union.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:34 PM
 
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It’s not complicated. Get the government out of healthcare and we shall see price drop and better service.
Get Big Business out of the government.


Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $4,364,027,980
Insurance $2,933,953,510
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:37 PM
 
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The fact is the AMA is subversive and anyone who pays attention to lobbying, corporatism, bribery, etc knows this. They've given nearly $500 million dollars to political campaigns in the past 20 years. What they say and what they do behind the scenes are two different things.

If you want to sleep well on the admittedly debatable role of medical errors in patient deaths go right ahead. I have no problem conceding that. Your socialist system sucks regardless.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:38 PM
 
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We all have a need for health care, it is a basic human need at certain points in our lives.

Your act like you are not in need of the service is just that, an act, a false perception even.
Therefore people must be forced at gunpoint to pay for your healthcare expenses?
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:40 PM
 
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Get Big Business out of the government.


Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $4,364,027,980
Insurance $2,933,953,510
That’s easy. Abolishing all government regulations and no business would ever have a need to bribe any politicians.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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You don't have a right to anyones money or services. Society doesn't progress through theft and coercion.
In other words, you want all government to be privatized. If you want police and fire protection, you have to voluntarily pay for it. If you want to drive on roads and bridges you have to pay money to the private companies owning then. If you want to go to the lake or park, you have to pay to get in and so on for everything else. Enjoy for as long as your money lasts.
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