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Old 02-20-2020, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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There was a time when doctors could finish all of their education in 6 years. I know a doctor who retired about 3 years ago, and that's how he went through medical school.
Medical school curriculums have been four years long and have required an undergraduate degree since the 1890s. In the 1920s the internship year was added and later in that decade residencies were added for certain medical specialities which were from 1-3 years and were pretty much like what fellowships are these days.

After WWII residencies became a requirement and were advanced from one to three years. The format we have now. Undergrad +4 year Medical Ed + 1 year Internship + 3 year Residency (Total of 12 years) has been in place since about 1970.

How old is this guy?
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:25 PM
 
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The fed govt restricts the supply of doctors, treatment facilities, medications etc. while ramping up demand of the same through various schemes. What could go wrong?
Don't forget that the Feds started all this in the 1940's when they imposed a wage freeze while, coincidentally (?), th etax code did not count health insurance as income. So employers started giving out health insurance in place of pay raises. And thus it started. The patient wasn't the payor, and that's 80% of the problem.
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Old 02-21-2020, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Denver and Boston
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Since the beginning of Civilization the supposed abilities of those that claimed to be healers greatly exceeded their actual abilities, it is only in this age of greatly increased access to information that we are coming to recognize their short comings in real time.
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Old 02-21-2020, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Would you like to explain how the fed government restricts the supply of doctors, etc.?
Congress funds medical residencies. Until it pays for more slots, medical schools cannot graduate more doctors.

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The government has empowered, protected and entrenched the AMA monopoly power over the doctor supply for almost 100 years. It's not a new thing. It's not a Democrat or Republican thing. It's a "government protected monopoly going back a century" thing.
The AMA has nothing to do with the supply of physicians and has long supported increasing the number of medical residencies.

https://www.ama-assn.org/education/g...ical-education

"Workforce experts predict that the United States will face a shortage of approximately 90,000 physicians by the year 2025. To protect patient access to care, the AMA continues to support legislation to increase Graduate Medical Education (GME) positions instead of cutting the federal funding that supports physician training."

Importing foreign docs won't help because the vast majority have to do a US residency.

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Medical errors are only the third leading cause of death in the country. But don't worry, they'll still bill your next of kin afterwards.
No, medical errors are not the third leading cause of death in the US. That figure comes from a terribly flawed analysis based on a very small number of deaths in which every adverse outcome - preventable or not - was deemed an "error". Those deaths were in hospitalized mostly Medicare age patients and the numbers were then extrapolated to all the deaths of all ages in the country. It was a terrible paper and has been roundly criticized here and abroad.

The figure is totally implausible.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are...-2019-edition/

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/02...use-death.html

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ath-criticized
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:54 AM
 
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The whole health care system is going to fall apart by 2030 anyway. It will be a third-world quality health care system regardless for a majority, so might as well have low taxes rather than a tax-payer scheme that socializes the costs.

A high majority of new doctors are females and based on past patters many will be part-timers only. All this while morbid obesity skyrockets to 24% for all Americans and 70 million are senior-citizens and many boomers will be in their 80s by then and need extremely intensive health care services on a daily basis.

A majority of those in medical school are women and 31% of female physicians with children work part-time compared to 5% of men.

So basically many of new doctors will be only part-timers to care for their children.

All this while, morbid obesity is suppose to skyrocket to 24% based on current models. With rates of 27% for women and 32% for lower-income Americans by 2030.

All this while there are 70 million plus Americans over 65.

There has also been a rapid rise in overdoses, alcoholism and other ailments.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1909301

https://www.aarp.org/livable-communi...d-figures.html

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/p...pplicants-2018

https://www.city-journal.org/part-ti...-professionals
Likely if, maybe, could, etc. is ALL we have heard for over 3 years.


In order for us to take ANY of these serious, provide their "prediction" history.
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:55 AM
 
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Look into it. Do some research. This is common knowledge.
In other words you CAN'T!
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:59 AM
 
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Sure...

How Government Helped Create the Coming Doctor Shortage

Thanks to doctors, there aren't enough doctors

The Evil-Mongering Of The American Medical Association

The government has empowered, protected and entrenched the AMA monopoly power over the doctor supply for almost 100 years. It's not a new thing. It's not a Democrat or Republican thing. It's a "government protected monopoly going back a century" thing.
Your 1st article"


"What Is the Mises Daily
The Mises Daily articles are short and relevant and written from the perspective of an unfettered free market and Austrian economics."

2nd article

"released by the Association of American Medical Colleges" You don't think they a have financial interest to get MORE students, do you?

3rd article

" This article is more than 2 years old." and is only an OPINION piece.

Last edited by Quick Enough; 02-21-2020 at 06:07 AM..
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:04 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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There was a time when doctors could finish all of their education in 6 years. I know a doctor who retired about 3 years ago, and that's how he went through medical school. They should reintroduce these types of programs. They will likely just bring doctors from 3rd world countries though, because it's better than allowing the entire system to collapse.
Many countries it is 6 years. They don't waste time or money making students take electives that are worthless.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:11 AM
 
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Licensing, permits and approvals.
None have stopped gun sales and Conceal Weapon applications from going up.
ALL new housing construction is up.

NEW business's opening UP. etc., etc., etc.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Boston
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most trips to the doctor can be handled by a Physician's Assistant. Another doomsday click bait article
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