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Old 04-04-2021, 08:39 AM
 
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Legalize it, regulate it and tax it. And let people make their choices. If they abuse it or cause harm, deal with it like we do with alcohol. I see zero sense in one being legal and not the other.
The one thing you are not factoring in, is the criminal cartels, who supply these drugs to the US...no matter what your personal opinion on the issue is, the fact is, drug laws in general greatly benefit these cartels, (without the drug laws, they would have no marketplace to sell their products illegally and un taxed, un regulated). It may sound crazy, but the drug laws appear to be in place mainly so the cartels can continue to rake in huge profits.


Same thing happened when alcohol prohibition ended....the criminals were forced out when alcohol became legal again, and today, its legitimate companies that manufacture and distribute alcohol...there is no 'alcohol cartels'.
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:50 AM
 
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The one thing you are not factoring in, is the criminal cartels, who supply these drugs to the US...no matter what your personal opinion on the issue is, the fact is, drug laws in general greatly benefit these cartels, (without the drug laws, they would have no marketplace to sell their products illegally and un taxed, un regulated). It may sound crazy, but the drug laws appear to be in place mainly so the cartels can continue to rake in huge profits.


Same thing happened when alcohol prohibition ended....the criminals were forced out when alcohol became legal again, and today, its legitimate companies that manufacture and distribute alcohol...there is no 'alcohol cartels'.
Another benefit of legalization. No more drug cartels. Seems like a win-win to me.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:08 AM
 
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Another benefit of legalization. No more drug cartels. Seems like a win-win to me.
Yes, that would be a great thing...(but not so great for the law enforcement community), LOTS of personnel would suddenly be out of a job/ not needed anymore...plus, no more budget money for waging the drug war, on the federal, state and local level...ALL would be impacted.


US law enforcement relies on the drug cartels as much as the cartels rely on the US having tough drug laws.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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The criminal cartels are still in Colorado. I have to really watch my back when hiking in the national forest. While hunting, a friend ran into a large growth area, think goodness nobody was there that morning. So, I'm not so sure about that argument.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:42 AM
 
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Why is drinking a few beers after work to wind down the day socially acceptable but smoking a joint isn't?
Personally, I do neither. I don't drink, smoke or smoke weed. I also happen to believe that making such things illegal is idiotic. I'm not a fan of telling everyone what they can or can't do and how to live their lives.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:21 PM
 
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Yes, that would be a great thing...(but not so great for the law enforcement community), LOTS of personnel would suddenly be out of a job/ not needed anymore...plus, no more budget money for waging the drug war, on the federal, state and local level...ALL would be impacted.


US law enforcement relies on the drug cartels as much as the cartels rely on the US having tough drug laws.
The old-school Republicans and Democrats are still mostly all-in for the Drug War. Biden's crime bill is still responsible for a massive amount of imprisonment of non-violent drug criminals. An uncomfortably large proportion of those prisoners are black and Hispanic.

Some of the old Dems are catching on and advocating for legalization. Some younger Republicans are too. About half of the old Dems and all of the old Republicans are still 100% sure that the Drug War is a great idea. I don't know if we'll see an end to the Drug War yet, but we're getting there.

The rising generation on both sides seems to be over it and wants to see an end to the colossal waste of lives, money and resources. You can thank Libertarians for getting the ball rolling on ending the Drug War. Whatever either party does to further that goal, they have my support.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:24 PM
 
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Ding ding!!! Winner here!

Marijuana was deemed illegal due to racism.
And so was cocaine.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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Legalize, regulate and tax, and then let employers decide if it’s an issue for their employees if they are in highly regulated industries. No different than rules on the books for airline pilots and truck drivers and alcohol.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:50 PM
 
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Legalize, regulate and tax, and then let employers decide if it’s an issue for their employees if they are in highly regulated industries. No different than rules on the books for airline pilots and truck drivers and alcohol.
Agreed. Throwing someone in jail over having marijuana is stupid.
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Old 04-04-2021, 04:18 PM
 
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The criminal cartels are still in Colorado. I have to really watch my back when hiking in the national forest. While hunting, a friend ran into a large growth area, think goodness nobody was there that morning. So, I'm not so sure about that argument.
That's the thing these cartels are not just about getting junkies their high. They voluntarily killed, bribed, stole and broke numerous laws most have no problems obeying. Sometimes a criminal is a criminal and not a victim of politics, strategies or actual law enforcement enforcing the law.

People from the cartels and junkies are some of the most selfish people in the world because it about their personal gain with the cartels seeking money to the junky getting their high with both frequently voluntarily breaking the law with an ends justify the means attitude. That doesn't mean you throw away the key if a member or user is convicted but those in the culture knowingly broke to the law to obtain or sell that product. They are not really martyrs or victims.

The selfishness and greed of those in the culture will transfer or parlay into other criminal ventures, activities etc. for many participants.
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