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Old 03-06-2020, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Originally Posted by zzzSnorlax View Post
Because Trumpism as a movement traded most of the existing principled conservative base for a previously dis-engaged base of sociopathic nihilist trolls.

The remaining base is an unholy union of hardcore evangelist theocrats and basically the dregs of youtube comment section posters.

It remains to be seen which group is larger.
That is an excellent and very lucid explanation. If you've ever listened to Schmidt talk, he speaks in much the same fashion as you do and is really a pleasure to hear talk.

 
Old 03-06-2020, 09:00 AM
 
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Schmidt's reasoning is on spot and is part and parcel as to why I slowly left the gop; the party I was raised in but had to leave because of the disgrace that it became over a long period of time.
The GOP is not what it used to be. They have cowed to the left and the media, which is owned by the left and have lost much of their credibility in the process. I know several former republicans who are now "independents", but can't stand on a single plank of the democrat platform. So I really don't see the point if one is a conservative, of registering as independent. There is much about the republican party I'm not happy with but I can't bring myself to vote for a democrat for any office given the radical direction the democrats are headed in.
 
Old 03-06-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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Why are the only decent Republicans ex-Republicans?
I will answer your question this way.

Since you are a committed leftist, you will naturally think a RINO is decent, probably because they were never conservative to begin with.
Look no further than politicians like Romney who many on the left use to praise when he was a left leaning governor in MA.
Yet when he ran against Obama, those same people savaged him.
Now he is popular again with the left because he is a never Trumper.

I will also add that some conservatives might not like Trumps crass, brash type of style and how he acts/tweets.
However most are astute enough to recognize it is better to have a politician who lived up to his promises (most of which are moderate to conservative) rather than a leftist like Hillary who would have been a nightmare for conservatives in comparison.

Here is a disturbing news flash for you. Despite you thinking the country should go hard left, most of the country is center-right. So when all your candidates for potus are far left of center, it shows the American voter just how crazy the once respected (D) party has become.
Though you probably see Biden as moderate (because you are so far left), the last moderate to run for the (D) nomination was Jim Webb in 2016. He was crushed of course, and this election cycle you have kooks talking about open-borders, socialism, abortion rights for trannys, convicted felons voting from prison, healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, sanctuary cities, abolishing ICE, etc., etc., etc.

You may believe in all that, but most of the country does not. So rest assured your ideological prism of what constitutes decency is skewed by your myopic partisan lens.
I and many others believe most Democrats are decent people, it is just that we disagree with most of them on the left.



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Old 03-06-2020, 10:48 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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He is half right.

Just need to add a Dem version.
 
Old 03-06-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Vector1 View Post
I will answer your question this way.

Since you are a committed leftist, you will naturally think a RINO is decent, probably because they were never conservative to begin with.
Look no further than politicians like Romney who many on the left use to praise when he was a left leaning governor in MA.
Yet when he ran against Obama, those same people savaged him.
Now he is popular again with the left because he is a never Trumper.

I will also add that some conservatives might not like Trumps crass, brash type of style and how he acts/tweets.
However most are astute enough to recognize it is better to have a politician who lived up to his promises (most of which are moderate to conservative) rather than a leftist like Hillary who would have been a nightmare for conservatives in comparison.

Here is a disturbing news flash for you. Despite you thinking the country should go hard left, most of the country is center-right. So when all your candidates for potus are far left of center, it shows the American voter just how crazy the once respected (D) party has become.
Though you probably see Biden as moderate (because you are so far left), the last moderate to run for the (D) nomination was Jim Webb in 2016. He was crushed of course, and this election cycle you have kooks talking about open-borders, socialism, abortion rights for trannys, convicted felons voting from prison, healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, sanctuary cities, abolishing ICE, etc., etc., etc.

You may believe in all that, but most of the country does not. So rest assured your ideological prism of what constitutes decency is skewed by your myopic partisan lens.
I and many others believe most Democrats are decent people, it is just that we disagree with most of them on the left.
Trump isn't a conservative, he is a populist. There is a huge difference between the two. Hillary Clinton is more conservative than Trump.
 
Old 03-06-2020, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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Originally Posted by Casey73 View Post
The GOP is not what it used to be. They have cowed to the left and the media, which is owned by the left and have lost much of their credibility in the process. I know several former republicans who are now "independents", but can't stand on a single plank of the democrat platform. So I really don't see the point if one is a conservative, of registering as independent. There is much about the republican party I'm not happy with but I can't bring myself to vote for a democrat for any office given the radical direction the democrats are headed in.

Funny thing is that the GOP of yesteryear epitomized moderation & had core principles that highly valued the running of an effective & efficient government while ALSO CHAMPIONING THE REGISTERING OF PEOPLE TO VOTE & CIVIL RIGHTS PROGRESS, to name a few things. Starting in the 1980's that party gradually threw away it's core principles until it became essentially the garbage heap we see today.

Living in Georgia, I can tell you that my personal last gop straw was broken about the time I had a years long, closeup view of the disgusting political & social theatrics of newt (hypocrite/serial adulterer/family values fiend) gingrich.

Recalling from newt's era of greatest influence in the 1990's, including his time as Speaker of the House, I could in no way abide w/ or support a party or it's candidates who tried to tell me or anyone else exactly whose family values were THE CORRECT family values! That was and is still true given that newt was & still is a total hypocrite!

Go ahead & call me "radical" to use your word choice, but I am a Democrat who still has core values that respect value & truthfulness, honor & integrity as do my other Democratic family members, friends &/or acquaintances!
 
Old 03-06-2020, 12:36 PM
 
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That was not his call. Sarah got the passenger list from all the cruise ships coming to Alaska. She invited those of her political persuasion for helicopter tours. She was pushed by Bill Krystol and others.

By the time she got to Schmidt, he thought they had vetted her. Bet he couldn't believe any governor could be so ignorant of government. But she is great at self promotion.
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Close aide Mark Salter preferred Pawlenty, while the campaign manager Steve Schmidt preferred Palin. By picking Palin, Schmidt argued, McCain could snatch the "change" mantle away from Obama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_R...date_selection
 
Old 03-06-2020, 01:31 PM
 
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Schmidt's reasoning is on spot and is part and parcel as to why I slowly left the gop; the party I was raised in but had to leave because of the disgrace that it became over a long period of time.
I believe more dem politician have left their party and became repubs then visa versa.


MANY consultants change parties. They follow the money.
 
Old 03-06-2020, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
I believe more dem politician have left their party and became repubs then visa versa.


MANY consultants change parties. They follow the money.
Many voters change parties. I did.

Dropped the GOP like a hot potato. I will vote for whomever else runs against Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
Old 03-06-2020, 01:36 PM
 
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Many voters change parties. I did.

Dropped the GOP like a hot potato. I will vote for whomever else runs against Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I'm still a registered Republican, but this describes me as well.
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