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Old 03-21-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hussman View Post
They're saying the worst-case outcome is that 2.something million Americans die. Note: that is worst-case. So that assumes, for example, that we don't develop a cure or vaccine or herd immunity or ramp up health care system to deal with number of cases in the meantime.

This makes no sense. American society didn't shut down during the Civil War, World War I & II, the Spanish Influenza. Substantial chunks of the population were wiped out and this didn't shut down society. Didn't mentality back then, I guess.

This is the first time in American history where we decided through government policy to shut down the economy. Yes, the economy crashed many times (e.g. Great Depression and Financial Crisis of 2007), but those weren't self-imposed.

This is absolutely crazy.

And yes, I am scared of COVID-19. Mother Nature is scary. But in terms of health fears, this ranks maybe 1,000th on my list, well behind cancers, diabetes types 1 & 2, epilepsy, liver disease, kidney disease, bowl obstructions, concussions, atrial fibrillation, STDs, alczheimers, Parkinsons, etc.

Let's face it. COVID-19 won't disappear. Ever. In fact, few diseases have ever been truly "cured." Diabetes is a death sentence; the closest thing we have to a solution is a super-expensive way to mitigate the effects through daily medical treatment.

Now we know that new diseases can materialize and spread rapidly without symptoms. The next Coronavirus-family flu could already have infected half the population. Until they come up with a catch-all flu vaccine (which will still never be 100% effective), you better pray to God that your body can handle the dozens of flus that will attack it over your lifetime. And if you're alive reading this, it's likely that your body already was infected with COVID-19 and thankfully fought it off.

One of my grandfathers died at a young age of a heart attack from an infectious disease that spread around the U.S. and destroyed heart valves of its victims. Now that's scary! You think COVID-19 is scary because in very rare cases of fit individuals it can causes lung damage which lasts 12 years? lol. At least you have 2 lungs and only need 1 and you have a chance of totally recovering.

It looks like the number of deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. will almost certainly be less than the average annual flu. But let's suppose it's slightly more, and reachs 100k (unlikely). Imagine if the news never mentioned COVID-19 and instead reported: "In 2020, the number of Americans who died from disease increased 3% from previous year." No one would bat an eye. The stock market would be unaffected.

This is just another example of how the media is mind-controlling the entire nation. Maybe it was done as an experiment just so the dying cable news networks could test whether they still control the population?

The scary thing about COVID19 is the HOSPITALIZATION RATE of almost 20%!!

Let's repeat so clueless right-wingers will get it (not hopeful), its insanely high rate of people who needs to be hospitalized is the dangerous part about this virus. Forget the death rate, focus on our healthcare system.

We. DON'T. HAVE. ENOUGH. HOSPITALS. Period.

Do you get it now?

.

 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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One must not be narrow minded in order to truly understand the severity of this situation. I am actually surprised that so many adults cannot comprehend that the consequences of this pandemic. Death rate does not scratch the surface.
You're buying into the hype and spreading it further.
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Each flu season there is the POTENTIAL hundreds of thousands of US citizens COULD die, but we don't shut down the economy each flu season.

This is being done as yet another attempt to remove Trump.
So Trump is trying to bring himself down?
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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This is about politics.

One of the reasons the media is trying to freak people out is in hopes of Trump losing in November.
I think even Trump himself has moved off this ridiculous claim. Yes, the media hates Trump. No, they are not shutting down the state of NY and Cali to bring down Trump. That is ridiculous.
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lisanicole1 View Post
One must not be narrow minded in order to truly understand the severity of this situation. I am actually surprised that so many adults cannot comprehend that the consequences of this pandemic. Death rate does not scratch the surface.
There are some rather...provincial peeps here.
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Trump should not have taken credit for the rising stock market. He invited this situation the minute he did that. All the lefties had to do after that was tank it to discredit him, and they succeeded at that.


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The scary thing about COVID19 is the HOSPITALIZATION RATE of almost 20%!!

Let's repeat so clueless right-wingers will get it (not hopeful), its insanely high rate of people who needs to be hospitalized is the dangerous part about this virus. Forget the death rate, focus on our healthcare system.

We. DON'T. HAVE. ENOUGH. HOSPITALS. Period.

Do you get it now?

.

Umm, I've been saying it has a hospitalization rate of 20% for a long time now. While also saying 80% of those infected do not become critical cases. This is not a super virus. Not with 80% thinking they have the flu or something, and around 1% of people who catch it dying. It seems we do not disagree on the facts, but how to interpret them and how to react.

This is pure media sensationalism designed to frighten viewers into plugging their brains into their television sets for hours of forced propaganda spoon feeding every day. You folks are going to get burned out at this rate. The reaction from the public is almost certainly going to be worse than the virus itself.
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hussman View Post
They're saying the worst-case outcome is that 2.something million Americans die. Note: that is worst-case. So that assumes, for example, that we don't develop a cure or vaccine or herd immunity or ramp up health care system to deal with number of cases in the meantime.

This makes no sense. American society didn't shut down during the Civil War, World War I & II, the Spanish Influenza. Substantial chunks of the population were wiped out and this didn't shut down society. Didn't mentality back then, I guess.

This is the first time in American history where we decided through government policy to shut down the economy. Yes, the economy crashed many times (e.g. Great Depression and Financial Crisis of 2007), but those weren't self-imposed.

This is absolutely crazy.

And yes, I am scared of COVID-19. Mother Nature is scary. But in terms of health fears, this ranks maybe 1,000th on my list, well behind cancers, diabetes types 1 & 2, epilepsy, liver disease, kidney disease, bowl obstructions, concussions, atrial fibrillation, STDs, alczheimers, Parkinsons, etc.

Let's face it. COVID-19 won't disappear. Ever. In fact, few diseases have ever been truly "cured." Diabetes is a death sentence; the closest thing we have to a solution is a super-expensive way to mitigate the effects through daily medical treatment.

Now we know that new diseases can materialize and spread rapidly without symptoms. The next Coronavirus-family flu could already have infected half the population. Until they come up with a catch-all flu vaccine (which will still never be 100% effective), you better pray to God that your body can handle the dozens of flus that will attack it over your lifetime. And if you're alive reading this, it's likely that your body already was infected with COVID-19 and thankfully fought it off.

One of my grandfathers died at a young age of a heart attack from an infectious disease that spread around the U.S. and destroyed heart valves of its victims. Now that's scary! You think COVID-19 is scary because in very rare cases of fit individuals it can causes lung damage which lasts 12 years? lol. At least you have 2 lungs and only need 1 and you have a chance of totally recovering.

It looks like the number of deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. will almost certainly be less than the average annual flu. But let's suppose it's slightly more, and reachs 100k (unlikely). Imagine if the news never mentioned COVID-19 and instead reported: "In 2020, the number of Americans who died from disease increased 3% from previous year." No one would bat an eye. The stock market would be unaffected.

This is just another example of how the media is mind-controlling the entire nation. Maybe it was done as an experiment just so the dying cable news networks could test whether they still control the population?
I'm not even going to respond to your starting argument, that 2 million Americans dying is no biggie - even though that is more than all the Americans who have died in all the wars in our history added together.

The biggest BS in your post is "the media is mind-controlling the entire nation". I don't even watch the media! They are not controlling me. When the NBA and NCAA canceled all sports, it wasn't the media telling them to do it. When my employer decided that everyone should work from home for a while, it was a corporate decision, not the media. The media didn't cause all schools to shut down. The media didn't cause 5000 people to die in Italy.

What is with this idiotic obsession with the media?!?
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lisanicole1 View Post
I think even Trump himself has moved off this ridiculous claim. Yes, the media hates Trump. No, they are not shutting down the state of NY and Cali to bring down Trump. That is ridiculous.
The politicians are giving in to fear caused by the media's fear mongering.
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
The politicians are giving in to fear caused by the media's fear mongering.
How could Trump give in to fear? I didn't think he was of such weak moral fiber.

Oh my!
 
Old 03-21-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Cantabridgienne View Post
There are some rather...provincial peeps here.
Provincial? So diplomatic of you. I was going to say ignorant, illiterate, illogical and ill-informed!
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