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Old 04-01-2020, 01:41 AM
 
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Let me get this straight.

The captain of one of the foremost front-line weapons systems in the world - a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier that also carries nuclear weapons - wrote a four-page letter to other Navy officers containing vital information on the ship's current readiness problems and suggestions that it be stripped down to a skeleton crew, which would basically render it incapable of fulfilling its mission or doing any warfighting at all....

....information which in any sane world would be immediately classified as SECRET or more....

...and that letter wound up on the pages of a San Francisco newspaper???

Which, of course, published the whole thing.

The mind boggles.

Quite aside, of course, from the obvious peril to the sailors, and the extreme difficulty of getting them the medical help they need.

If a letter like that was handed to a newspaper, during a time of war, it's quite possible that the person who sent it to the newspaper would be lined up against a wall and shot. Along with whoever at the newspaper decided to publish it. The Constitution specifically mentions such acts, and not in a nice way.

Come to think of it, isn't the United State still fighting a war or two, in various parts of the Middle East? Where our soldiers are getting shot and/or blown up almost daily?
More frontline healthcare workers have died than any military in the past year.

Thank the healthcare for their service. It is more dangerous. Bullets ain't gonna stop this enemy
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:14 AM
 
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This is very concerning because the truth is that much of the support for our military is lip service.
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Beaver County
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The port visit should never have been made. Somebody did not use their brain. They needed a slightly paranoid mother to make that call. Hubby is a 26 year naval veteran. I asked him about this very question three weeks ago. Damn if he didn’t call it right.
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:41 AM
 
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Priorities. The troops are there to defend the nation. They are not a jobs program.



Frankly, I think it hurts our national security for this story and information about the readiness of our military to even be public.
Not our.

Considering the saying the poster you were replying to quoted, I can see where someone unfamiliar with that poster’s posts would think that poster is an American, but that poster you’re replying to is Canadian.
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Old 04-01-2020, 05:08 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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The whole ship is going to have to be tested and tose who are sick are going to have to be flown home.

The best thing to do is to get to a safe port in an allied country such as Japan or Australia, then quarantine the ship, do the test and for the USAF Medical Evacuation to fly all the sick crew home Tto the US.

The ship can then be deep cleaned and new crew can be flown out in order to bring the ship straight home to the US.

In Europe the US have a vast military hospital at Landusthl near Ramstein, so the US Forces have reayer support in that region than they do in some other parts of the world.
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Old 04-01-2020, 05:45 AM
 
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It's also scary because US aircraft carrier groups are one of the biggest deterrents to war next to subs. Carriers do not operate alone but in carrier task force goups. No other country comes close to the sea power of the US but having any carrier out of unplanned commission puts a large dent in world security.
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Old 04-01-2020, 08:22 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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If it gets on one ship it will get on all ships, admiral. You can't quarantine the military over the flu, which has killed no one on the ship so far.
So... I expect they have limited medical personnel on the ship itself. If multiple sailors need respirators, they might not be able to manage. Deboarding, isolating them in quarantine to limit the spread, and moving the worst cases to medical facilities seems like the logical step. Even young, healthy sailors can easily die from pneumonia. (Back in 1918 it has ~50% lethality without medical treatment.) But statistically, only a couple of the 200 cases should require hospitalization. Older officers will be at more risk, so it depends on who got it.

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Old 04-01-2020, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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A floating Petri dish does not have to be civilian.
Yup, the virus doesn’t care who you are or what your mission is.

Yes we need ships out there for military purposes but this is not a good time to have them
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Old 04-01-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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Let me get this straight.

The captain of one of the foremost front-line weapons systems in the world - a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier that also carries nuclear weapons - wrote a four-page letter to other Navy officers containing vital information on the ship's current readiness problems and suggestions that it be stripped down to a skeleton crew, which would basically render it incapable of fulfilling its mission or doing any warfighting at all....

....information which in any sane world would be immediately classified as SECRET or more....

...and that letter wound up on the pages of a San Francisco newspaper???

Which, of course, published the whole thing.

The mind boggles.

Quite aside, of course, from the obvious peril to the sailors, and the extreme difficulty of getting them the medical help they need.

If a letter like that was handed to a newspaper, during a time of war, it's quite possible that the person who sent it to the newspaper would be lined up against a wall and shot. Along with whoever at the newspaper decided to publish it. The Constitution specifically mentions such acts, and not in a nice way.

Come to think of it, isn't the United State still fighting a war or two, in various parts of the Middle East? Where our soldiers are getting shot and/or blown up almost daily?
The Navy is considering classifying all COVID-19 reporting. The Pentagon has requested that they no longer report publicly or talk to the press. Not sure how this got out, but with tons of people working remotely that aren't used to it and with reports already of attempted hacks into the the systems, it's not hard to see how this might happen.
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Old 04-01-2020, 09:55 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The Navy is considering classifying all COVID-19 reporting. The Pentagon has requested that they no longer report publicly or talk to the press. Not sure how this got out, but with tons of people working remotely that aren't used to it and with reports already of attempted hacks into the the systems, it's not hard to see how this might happen.
Probably a good idea. No point in letting potential (or real) enemies know the actual situation.
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