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Old 04-08-2020, 06:02 PM
 
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Negatory. I'm not susceptible to such flu viruses. Assuming everyone is guilty before proven innocent just doesn't seem right.
Testing is coming very soon, so you can rest assured the couple at the next table is OK.
Seeing as NO ONE has resistance to this novel coronavirus, EVERY ONE is susceptible.

Assuming everyone is guilty (carrying the virus) before being proven innocent (virus free) is EXACTLY how you combat this infection....how do you not get that?

Not wearing a mask because you fear how you "look" to others is what's not right...as correctly noted above, the main benefit from wearing a mask is to protect others more than yourself

Unfortunately we have seen the best in many Americans with this virus and the worst in others like yourself who are only worried about themselves and not others

Antibody testing is not going to be the panacea many here seem to believe, we don't even know for sure yet what level of protection is afforded by having a positive titer or how long it might last.

Considering we are now a couple of months into this pandemic in the US and STILL can't even effectively test for the VIRUS in those we fear may be ill, the likelihood of some mass roll out of antibody testing for the worried well is not going to happen any time soon...

 
Old 04-08-2020, 06:16 PM
 
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1. You wouldn't understand the "scientific method" if it walked up and smacked ya

5. No idea what "elite" doctors are but if you meant high paid specialists you are completely off base as most high paid specialists tend to be Republican...
Republicans tended to work in specialties with the highest salaries, while Democrats tended to work in comparatively lower-paying fields. For example, anesthesiologists make more than $350,000, while psychiatrists and pediatricians make less than $250,000. That aligns with national data showing that among people with a certain level of education, higher-earning individuals tend to lean Republican.
Well, I agree with most of your points but there is one you either don't know - or have failed to mention. It is a well know survey as well as some basic facts we all understand.........

1. It goes without saying that states like MA, CT, CA and NY have many of the best and most highly paid doctors and researchers in the world.
They are overwhelming liberal in their thinking, as anyone with a scientific mind would have to be.
Not only do I know this by demographics, but I know it personally as I have had the fortune (or misfortune) to deal with some of the best Geneticists, Neurosurgeons and the like in NY, MA an CA.

Some of these people are well enough known that I could even provide you links if you desired....but suffice it to say Boston Docs don't wear MAGA gear.

2. The singular stuff done on the General End of Scientists was from Pew:
https://www.people-press.org/2009/07...-and-religion/

The summary which is telling is simply this:
Most scientists identify as Democrats (55%), while 32% identify as independents and just 6% say they are Republicans. When the leanings of independents are considered, fully 81% identify as Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party, compared with 12% who either identify as Republicans or lean toward the GOP...

One can make many claims, but to suggest those solidly on the current Right make up the scientific community is not one of them. It's the complete opposite - as is buttressed by the states and communities they tend to practice in.

Those differences are vast. Not even in the ballpark. While I don't doubt that many "profit seeking" medical professional many lean Republican, that's not the story of total US Medical Science. There is a reason Boston is the Epicenter of the Life Sciences.
 
Old 04-08-2020, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Originally Posted by finalmove View Post
Negatory. I'm not susceptible to such flu viruses. Assuming everyone is guilty before proven innocent just doesn't seem right.
This is not a "flu virus" and is brand new, so no, you are susceptible.

Further, Covid-19 doesn't care about your personal liberties. Applying "innocent before proven guilty" is illogical in this case.
 
Old 04-08-2020, 08:17 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by bluedevilz View Post
Seeing as NO ONE has resistance to this novel coronavirus, EVERY ONE is susceptible.

Assuming everyone is guilty (carrying the virus) before being proven innocent (virus free) is EXACTLY how you combat this infection....how do you not get that?

Not wearing a mask because you fear how you "look" to others is what's not right...as correctly noted above, the main benefit from wearing a mask is to protect others more than yourself

Unfortunately we have seen the best in many Americans with this virus and the worst in others like yourself who are only worried about themselves and not others

Antibody testing is not going to be the panacea many here seem to believe, we don't even know for sure yet what level of protection is afforded by having a positive titer or how long it might last.

Considering we are now a couple of months into this pandemic in the US and STILL can't even effectively test for the VIRUS in those we fear may be ill, the likelihood of some mass roll out of antibody testing for the worried well is not going to happen any time soon...
Deal with it. Masks are optional. If it makes you complete, that's your problem. Most people are resistant like me. You dont get it, and that's OK.
 
Old 04-08-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81 View Post
This is not a "flu virus" and is brand new, so no, you are susceptible.

Further, Covid-19 doesn't care about your personal liberties. Applying "innocent before proven guilty" is illogical in this case.
Semantics for beginners----it is a flu.
 
Old 04-08-2020, 08:26 PM
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"Make America Work Again"
#MAWA
 
Old 04-08-2020, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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The number of new cases is dropping and will continue to decline. The quarantine did little help. The health system is able to handle the patient. Time to let people get back to normal.
 
Old 04-08-2020, 08:44 PM
 
Location: The Ozone Layer, apparently...
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3. The point of social distancing was to flatten the curve to avoid over running health care systems, some areas (California for one) have been more successful than others ( NY)
Um, what? California hasn't seen nothing yet. New York is the Epicenter. Oregon and California have sent New York sorely needed supplies, not because we are not successful, but because it is in their best interest to keep the virus right where it is for as long as possible, but don't worry. Im sure you will eventually find yourself tested, since we are so mismanaged and all here in New York.

New York has been very successful. Next virus can come from Japan and hit California first, and I will sit over here on the East Coast and comment on how unsuccessful California is, lol. I will try to get my legislators to send you masks and ventilators too in the hope that you can keep the virus in Cali for as long as possible.

New York cant close its borders. Many of its essential employees live in other states - New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. The wave is slowly starting to move out to Long Island from NYC and is then expected to head upstate. Will the wave grow or get smaller is anyone's guess.

California and other states will start to see real problems when the wave eventually gets to them, if it ever does. What you have now are the 'earlybird specials'. The party wont really get going until later - and if California and other Western states are truly lucky, the wave wont reach them at all, but it is far too early in the evening to claim Cali's party has been a success.
 
Old 04-08-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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Which are all shut down. It's really splitting hairs to say that the US is not shut down. Of course it is.

Folks with medical backgrounds shouldn't be the only ones making these decisions, as their ONLY priority is to save every single life. An admirable goal, but unrealistic. If that were the only goal, then we should ban all cars, and never let anyone go outside ever, lest they catch something that may kill them.

There has to be some balance.
I agree with Medical staff leading committees on restarting the economy, not economists. That being said, I'd favor teams with balance, 1/3rd medical, 1/3rd economists, 1/3rd private sector business leaders. With votes from each group required in order to enact policy-as a means to force consensus.
 
Old 04-09-2020, 01:43 AM
 
Location: California
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California and other states will start to see real problems when the wave eventually gets to them, if it ever does. What you have now are the 'earlybird specials'. The party wont really get going until later - and if California and other Western states are truly lucky, the wave wont reach them at all, but it is far too early in the evening to claim Cali's party has been a success.
California was exposed arguably first and the Bay Area was exposed repeatedly and early.

We have a few things going for us that NY doesnt:

1.) Crappy public transit. Compared to NYC most people dont use public transit. Even in SF.

2.) Sprawl. Not having shared elevators in high rises etc makes it easier to not get sick

3.) Earlier lockdown and more competent government.

4.) Weather. Vitamin D boosts the immune system. Warmer weather means windows are left open in indoor establishments. And hot weather and direct sun may deactivate the virus itself though the last point is debatable.
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