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Old 04-05-2020, 11:14 PM
 
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and the real u.s. shines on ... no more pretending to be the good guys. It's about time.

It's a bit early to say that. We'll see the real US when 3M makes a final decision. The US is represented by its people, not a few members in government.

 
Old 04-05-2020, 11:22 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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and the real u.s. shines on ... no more pretending to be the good guys. It's about time.
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Canada has the population of one large US state I would agree it should get a % of the 3M supplies based on its % of population/(US plus Canada population), with the US getting the rest.

We also have states getting greedy for US supplies, btw. Cuomo' call that he should get 100% US ventilator stock was completely selfish. NY should get a share, based on its % of total US cases, and the Feds should not hand out all 20,000 in their stockpile, so the next wave, if it occurs, is manageable.

3M has not been as responsive as some US corps at providing aid to this nation, in fighting the virus.
We either have a free market or we don't ... we are either capitalist or socialist where the government tells companies what they can and can not do ... that said

They should get what they ordered. Canada supplied the material, 3M makes the product, Canada paid for the product, product gets shipped --- unless we're turning into Nazi Germany, that's how it works.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste". ~ Winston Churchill ~


Can't be the good guy and the bad guy --- choose one.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 11:25 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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and the real u.s. shines on ... no more pretending to be the good guys. It's about time.
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It's a bit early to say that. We'll see the real US when 3M makes a final decision. The US is represented by its people, not a few members in government.
Last I read 3M was speaking truth to power ... and doing the right thing, but yes, we'll have to wait for the final song.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 02:08 AM
 
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I spend time in Mexico also.

Wonderful people, humble, welcoming and amazing culture and history. You should try it.

"Puede ser útil para sus puntos de vista vivir en una cultura diferente."

Wish I didn't have to continue paying more taxes in the USA than Canada though. Maybe this whole COVID-19 will realign how I deal with that.


I'm of Hispanic descent and yes, I have lived in a US territory where Spanish is spoken.

As for Mexico---I've visited. Never would I live there. However, it, no doubt, would be a far better fit for you than the US.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 05:16 AM
 
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We either have a free market or we don't ... we are either capitalist or socialist where the government tells companies what they can and can not do ... that said

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The Free Market exists. So does the Bully Pulpit.

3M did not ever face legal action over this. It properly will continue to face shaming.

In addition, if the govt opts to use 3M more or less, that's Free Market Capitalism at work, also.

No customer is an annuity.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sorry, it appears you're mistaken about "K10S pulp" as being a necessary ingredient in surgical masks. Masks are made from synthetic materials, not paper.
Surgical masks use nonwoven fabrics as one of their main ingredients, and nonwoven fabrics is basically wood pulp which has gone though a special process.

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/o...w_are_Surgical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonwoven_fabric

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Old 04-06-2020, 07:59 AM
 
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It's a bit early to say that. We'll see the real US when 3M makes a final decision. The US is represented by its people, not a few members in government.
It's quite an interesting shift with the USA government dictating how private companies can conduct business, who they can sell to, and what they can manufacture. This should concern people in the USA, but I suspect they will blindly think it's a good idea because they are being told that it is for their own good.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 08:02 AM
 
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Meanwhile:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-ban-1.5522675
 
Old 04-06-2020, 09:12 AM
 
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Surgical masks use nonwoven fabrics as one of their main ingredients, and nonwoven fabrics is basically wood pulp which has gone though a special process.

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/o...w_are_Surgical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonwoven_fabric
Surgical masks, yes, N95 masks, no. I did misspeak on that.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 09:44 AM
 
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Surgical masks, yes, N95 masks, no. I did misspeak on that.
N95 masks are not the only medical supply that is needed in the USA, is it?
"The owner of a British Columbia mill that makes pulp for surgical masks, gowns and other medical supplies says the shortage of personal protective equipment is a global problem, and companies should be helping out to the best of their ability.

"Wherever medical supplies are needed and where there's a shortage, everybody should be doing their part to make sure they can supply as much medical supplies to the front line as possible," said Harmac Pacific president Levi Sampson.
...

Canada supplies the U.S. with many products, including pulp for masks, test kits and gloves and Canadian nurses also work in the United States.
...

He said Harmac's pulp is unique in the world and because it's a blend of primarily western red cedar, a soft fibre, it allows it to be mixed with synthetics to make the end products like masks and gowns."
ref: above link from BruSan
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