Trump orders 3M not to export masks to Canada. Guess where the special raw material come from? (accuse, solutions)
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Interesting when people today know that the best jobs come through networking ... most have built their careers on it, yet, they tell themselves that they got that 6 figure income all on their very own and the u.s. can sustain itself without the trust and cooperation of other countries ... wow, so much for recognizing we are all on this same blue boat, together.
I'll assume this was directed at me, since you were agreeing with what the OP said to me.
I said no such thing.
All I said is that the OP shouldn't be complaining that the finished products we're in possession of, and in deep need of, weren't being sent to a foreign country.
I didn't say ANYTHING about the production of those items, or acquiring raw materials, or anything of the sort.
Inference is the biggest problem on the internet, and nowhere can it be found in greater quantities than City-Data, except maybe for twitter..
You do know what they say about assumptions, right?
The u.s. does not have the trust it once did, Trump has seen to it, that we don't and the American citizen is okay with that. If this event goes into overtime, remember that.
The average citizen over this pass century has built their career, through networking and having someone, put in a good word for them ... funny we don't believe the same thing should be when it comes to (sustaining the u.s. economy) the government. The same government that sold its people up the river decades ago ... but that's besides the point.
Point being, this country was never an island, why make it one now? And how is it most folks are okay with that, even with the knowing that practice would not sustain their career?
I grew up in Tyler. The Tyler today is not the same Tyler I grew up in ... just so you know, I'm old. There have been a lot of changes over the years and within those changes are indicators, where one can pretty much project, what happens next.
To answer both of you, no, the raw material is not available elsewhere.
That being said, it APPEARS that 3M does not use it for their masks, but other manufacturers may, or 3M uses it for other PPE items. Certainly, it is used in other personal protection equipment, and the plant has doubled its production as a result of orders from the USA.
What is the effect on American health providers if the Canadian government were to order that plant to divert to say... China? Which makes masks?
Most likely zero, since you've been unable to name one critical piece of medical gear that's actually made from this PPE that you keep raving about.
And no, other manufacturers of masks don't use PPE, which you would have known if you bothered to read the THREE references I supplied. Here they are again.
So stop backpedaling. You were wrong about surgical masks using paper pulp material from Canada. So unless you have any actual data to share about what you've claimed is a critical resource to fight the pandemic that only Canada can supply to the world, your credibility on this topic is zero.
Most likely zero, since you've been unable to name one critical piece of medical gear that's actually made from this PPE that you keep raving about.
And no, other manufacturers of masks don't use PPE, which you would have known if you bothered to read the THREE references I supplied. Here they are again.
So stop backpedaling. You were wrong about surgical masks using paper pulp material from Canada. So unless you have any actual data to share about what you've claimed is a critical resource to fight the pandemic that only Canada can supply to the world, your credibility on this topic is zero.
No he wasn't and before you go all postal on anyone why not ratchet it back a notch and consider that maybe 3M's datasheet is not being specific for a reason ?
Sampson said the Harmac mill is the world’s only producer of the particular grade of paper pulp used in the manufacture of surgical masks and gowns and that the mill has been producing it since before he came to work there in 2008.
“It’s a customer out of the States and we’ve been supplying them for years, but in light of what’s going on in the lack of medical supplies, they’ve doubled their order with us in the last week, so we’re doing everything we can to meet that demand,” said Levi Sampson, Harmac president.
“K10S is the pulp that we’re producing for these medical supplies. We’re the only one that produces it,” he said. “Different pulp mills run different grades of pulp – almost kind of like recipes.”
K10S pulp is made from western red cedar that produces a soft fibre that makes it suitable for the final products made from it.
“It’s been tweaked over the years to come up with the right formula that allows it to go into the medical supplies,” Sampson said.
When the manufacture datasheet refers to one layer of "cellulose polyester" in combination; what do you think they're referring to?
No he wasn't and before you go all postal on anyone why not ratchet it back a notch and consider that maybe 3M's datasheet is not being specific for a reason ?
Sampson said the Harmac mill is the world’s only producer of the particular grade of paper pulp used in the manufacture of surgical masks and gowns and that the mill has been producing it since before he came to work there in 2008.
“K10S is the pulp that we’re producing for these medical supplies. We’re the only one that produces it,” he said. “Different pulp mills run different grades of pulp – almost kind of like recipes.”
K10S pulp is made from western red cedar that produces a soft fibre that makes it suitable for the final products made from it.
“It’s been tweaked over the years to come up with the right formula that allows it to go into the medical supplies,” Sampson said.
When the manufacture datasheet refers to one layer of in combination; what do you think they're referring to?
The claim was made that in order to make masks, you need the pulp that is specific to this one mill in Canada. That is patently false.
But while we're here, why don't you show us a surgical mask datasheet that says ""cellulose polyester", like you said.
The claim was made that in order to make masks, you need the pulp that is specific to this one mill in Canada. That is patently false.
But while we're here, why don't you show us a surgical mask datasheet that says ""cellulose polyester", like you said.
"The BioFriendT m BioMaskT N95 surgical respirator, Model: Professional (BF-200-3013AN) is flat- folded and expands into a convex-shaped mask with polyamide/spandex elastic head-loops to secure the mask to the user's face, and a malleable aluminum strip positioned above the nose for a tighter seal around the nose and face. The respirator is comprised of four layers of material: an outer layer of spun-bond polypropylene, a second layer of cellulose/polyester, a third layer of melt-blown polypropylene filter material and an inner (fourth) layer of spun-bound polypropylene."
"The BioFriendT m BioMaskT N95 surgical respirator, Model: Professional (BF-200-3013AN) is flat- folded and expands into a convex-shaped mask with polyamide/spandex elastic head-loops to secure the mask to the user's face, and a malleable aluminum strip positioned above the nose for a tighter seal around the nose and face. The respirator is comprised of four layers of material: an outer layer of spun-bond polypropylene, a second layer of cellulose/polyester, a third layer of melt-blown polypropylene filter material and an inner (fourth) layer of spun-bound polypropylene."
Thank you, fair enough. However, the OP's insinuation that you must have this specific material from Canada in order to produce masks is still wrong.
I even used the datasheet from 3M who was specifically called out by the OP. They don't use it.
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