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Old 04-07-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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Silly post.

Pritzger is doing a great job, no thanks to Trump.
Silly post as you could not be more wrong if you tried

 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:08 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Yeah, you ever held a job before? Do you contradict the decision makers in your org? You can do that, but you had better be right. You don't know what kind of intel or temporal data he's seeing. Are you assuming that you and POTUS are seeing the same information?
We've seen this story before. The POTUS lies, frequently and casually; he's been very glib from day one. He's lying about the testing, for the simple reason that the facts have the potential to make him look bad, and he always goes into denial about such situations. His staff only feeds him information he wants to hear, because he gets rid of people who do otherwise. The result is a closed information loop, with DJT living in a false reality.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Robert9 View Post
Silly post as you could not be more wrong if you tried
I know what I am talking about.

Trump has failed us, and the governors have stepped up. Trump doesn't handle a crises very well, unfortunately, he could have redeemed himself on this one ...
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:09 AM
 
Location: In the outlet by the lightswitch
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Trump is not a hero here. Nor is he the cause. He's been mediocre at best dealing with this. But to be fair, in our lifetimes no POTUS has ever dealt with a pandemic, so there isn't any benchmark to judge him against. I think there is a better chance that some who liked Trump before Covid-19 might feel lesser about him, and those who didn't like him before the virus will dislike him as much if not more than before. I'd be hard pressed to believe that he would get prior detractors to all of the sudden be by his side due solely to his response to this pandemic.

That's my train of thinking too. President Trump really is no better (or no worse) in this thing than other world leaders. He's been average. He did what he thought was best at the time and the US is pretty much just like other countries right now. If any country or leader gets to claim they were the most successful in fighting this thing, it's South Korea and Moon Jae-in.

While a bit late to the game, in the end, President Trump has been a pretty good cheerleader trying to keep up the moral of the US and I give him credit for that. I actually started to like him a little more at first, but then he started making the pandemic political and that was disappointing. But the people who really deserve credit for saving people are not only the doctors, nurses, and other healthcare workers, but also the scientists and those like Dr. Fauci who showed us how to help flatter the curve and convinced President Trump to use his platform as President to spread the right message.

I don't think this pandemic will change very many people's minds if they loved or hated President Trump before this. Borderline or independent voters may sway one way or another, but I wouldn't know which way that would be. If this pandemic has taught me anything, people are weird and unpredictable. But I can see some of President Trump's earlier comments being used against him in ads before the general election.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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When the need arises to glorify mrT- a warm sense of thankfulness comes over the person to feel grateful they are serving him. They are mostly unaware, that they are not personally known by their leader, nor is the admiration is reciprocated. Their own beliefs are shaped by a unique perception, unfounded- but tightly held. People rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world. Yes make sense of what doesn't, or auto correct to fit their agenda. The actions of this admin is mediocre at best. I thank God he does let the scientists speak! I wonder where we would be if they were silenced, as he has others that clash with him.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
I know what I am talking about.

Trump has failed us, and the governors have stepped up. Trump doesn't handle a crises very well, unfortunately, he could have redeemed himself on this one ...
Yeah that is why even the fools who voted for JB have been disappointed in his handling of this.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:21 AM
 
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Trump, and thus his core base, has pivoted from downplaying the severity of the virus to exaggerating outcomes. Models assume best and worst cases. The worst case rarely, if ever happens.

The model that projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the US assumed the absence of any control measures or changes to individual behaviors.

The primary ongoing control measure enacted by the Federal Government is the “Guideline” about social distancing and gathering.The Federal Government has left the rest to the states.

The rest of ongoing controls have and continue to occur at the state/ county/ municipal level. Individual behaviors and compliance with state/ county/ municipal directives is a huge variable, throughout the US.


https://reason.com/2020/03/30/as-tru...ase-scenarios/
People on these boards, including myself, have been saying for a couple of weeks the models were wrong, and now that there is no denying it, leftists are pivoting to excuses as to why they argued for their accuracy when it was millions of deaths, then hundreds of thousands of deaths, and now many thousands of deaths but not nearly as many as we made policy on!

The core assumption of the IMHE model was always "RO", the number of people that could be infected by a single person. A faulty assumption with this value and the model produces numbers that differ from reality by orders of magnitude. That's what happened. I'm sure social distancing played a big part in that but so did the travel restrictions Trump initiated early on. Those could've been done sooner if China had been forthcoming with the info, but since the CCP is an oozing venereal disease, they opted to sit on that info to make themselves look good.

There is not going to be any rewriting of history on these fora or in the media writ large. People will try, but like Reagan said, "Facts are stubborn things", and reality will set the record straight.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thank goodness the President is saving us! Especially for those of us in Illinois who have a Governor who does nothing at all for us. JB is too busy finding new ways to take our money from us now when we need it the most and expecting the President of America to do his job for him when it comes to this virus
I live in Illinois.

No city, county, state or country was/ is prepared for a once in a hundred year global pandemic.

Illinois was the second of 50 states to take the Covid -19 risk seriously and close schools, issue Stay at Home orders, require those not engaged in essential businesses to work from home, limit travel to essential activities, enabled telemedicine, activated national guard and extended deadline for tax filings.

The state’s UI systems are backlogged just like nearly every other state. It is throttling volume with alternate day filings based on the alphabet.

FEMA is converting McCormick Place into a 3000 bed Covid -19 field hospital, consistent with the size of the population.. Don't we pay enough Federal taxes to warrant this level of emergency attention? How much more are you willing to pay for healthcare to have this level of surplus bed, equipment and staffing, in case of a once every 100 year pandemic?

Most counties and municipalities within the state have chosen to close libraries, parks, playgrounds, public buildings, courts etc.

The Illinois Governor, like many other Governors has been highly critical of the Federal Government that put states into a position of competing with each other and FEMA to procure PPE and ventilators. It makes no sense in a national emergency for this to happen.

What else would you expect a Governor to do during this crisis? Be specific, please.

Pritzker has been Governor 15 months. He did not create the pension crisis, no diff than his predecessor or Rauner’s predecessor or......Pritzker had nothing to do with the state constitution that guarantees accrued pension benefits to public employees, come what may. Pritzker had nothing to do with the serious and purposeful underfunding of public pension plans.

Illinois had the distinction of having 2 governors in prison at the same time, a Republican and then a Democrat. There must be something in the water.

Seems to me it really does not matter who lives in the governor’s mansion or the party of the governor. Madigan has been running the state for decades.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:55 AM
 
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I live in Illinois.

No city, county, state or country was/ is prepared for a once in a hundred year global pandemic.

Illinois was the second of 50 states to take the Covid -19 risk seriously and close schools, issue Stay at Home orders, require those not engaged in essential businesses to work from home, limit travel to essential activities, enabled telemedicine, activated national guard and extended deadline for tax filings.

The state’s UI systems are backlogged just like nearly every other state. It is throttling volume with alternate day filings based on the alphabet.

FEMA is converting McCormick Place into a 3000 bed Covid -19 field hospital, consistent with the size of the population.. Don't we pay enough Federal taxes to warrant this level of emergency attention? How much more are you willing to pay for healthcare to have this level of surplus bed, equipment and staffing, in case of a once every 100 year pandemic?

Most counties and municipalities within the state have chosen to close libraries, parks, playgrounds, public buildings, courts etc.

The Illinois Governor, like many other Governors has been highly critical of the Federal Government that put states into a position of competing with each other and FEMA to procure PPE and ventilators. It makes no sense in a national emergency for this to happen.

What else would you expect a Governor to do during this crisis? Be specific, please.

Pritzker has been Governor 15 months. He did not create the pension crisis, no diff than his predecessor or Rauner’s predecessor or......Pritzker had nothing to do with the state constitution that guarantees accrued pension benefits to public employees, come what may. Pritzker had nothing to do with the serious and purposeful underfunding of public pension plans.

Illinois had the distinction of having 2 governors in prison at the same time, a Republican and then a Democrat. There must be something in the water.

Seems to me it really does not matter who lives in the governor’s mansion or the party of the governor. Madigan has been running the state for decades.
Sounds like a good response to me. But I'm glad I don't live in IL. Cook county crooks have ruined the state's finances in the long term and they are going to continue to tax the state residents to death while lobbying Washington behind the scenes in hopes that the nation will pay for their outlandish mistakes and promises.
 
Old 04-07-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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Trump is a genius con man he has convinced these righties that he should be thanked for doing and knowing nothing evidenced by him placing all the blame and responsibility on the governors and has said the Supplies and equipment needed to combat the virus is the states problem not his problem.
Yet he wants praise and gets it from theses right wing nuts who don’t realize that he is the best president the leftist has ever had. I always knew it wasn’t that much difference between him and Bernie other than Bernie was nowhere as great of a con man as Trump. Trump is a socialist Elite.
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