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NASA has been working on a similar system to launch humans into space which goes back to the Bush Administration in 2004. Here is a link to the announcement for that program...
But the CEV has absolutely nothing to do with the commercial crew program. It's the project that later turned into the Orion capsule, part of the ill-begotten Constellation program. Entirely different vehicle, launchers, program, everything.
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When Obama took office in 2009, he re-crafted all of that under his own banner and claimed it as his own.
No, he didn't. The Obama administration canceled the Constellation program, to much dismay, although Orion survived.
Congress then re-animated the corpse of Constellation as the "Space Launch System" and it is lumbering along at classical NASA pace, with a possible unmanned launch in November 2021, although I'd not bet money on that happening. The pork must flow.
The commercial crew program was conceived as the antidote to Constellation-type thinking at NASA, and it was introduced in 2010. That is simply a fact. A political and financial gamble that paid off quite well. And, it has to be said, a program that stood on the shoulders of the commercial resupply program (i.e., unmanned), and the credit for that can certainly be laid at GWB's feet.
There is simply no denying that the commercial crew program was an Obama-era initiative. The outcome is on the launchpad today.
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Also, the amount of money that NASA has already spent on this has been truly astonishing. It is time for NASA to retire from performing these functions.
Thanks most kindly. I admit to having a bit of home-team affinity for SpaceX, but I've been following private space ventures since I rode out to Mojave in 2004 and saw Mike Melville fly SpaceShipOne beyond the Karman Line. I honestly think that the commercial programs mark a watershed moment in space exploration. As boring as procurement processes are.
NASA has been working on a similar system to launch humans into space which goes back to the Bush Administration in 2004. Here is a link to the announcement for that program:
When Obama took office in 2009, he re-crafted all of that under his own banner and claimed it as his own. Attribute it to whatever president anyone likes, NASA has been working on this for 16 years now across the administrations of three Presidents - Bush, Obama and Trump. And they still have not finished it yet.
Also, the amount of money that NASA has already spent on this has been truly astonishing. It is time for NASA to retire from performing these functions.
The VSE has very little to do with today’s commercial crew program.
The VSE was in fact in favor of the old school NASA approach.
The VSE has very little to do with today’s commercial crew program.
The VSE was in fact in favor of the old school NASA approach.
The NASA development of a human space launch capsule and rocket is what was started in 2004 to replace the space shuttle. NASA continues to work on that to this day, as you know very well. The current version of the capsule is called Orion and the rocket is the Space Launch System (SLS).
The program name and approach may have changed over the years, but the purpose and the technologies that they have been working with have not. They have been working on a rocket and capsule to launch our astronauts into outer space.
NASA has been in the process of developing this human space launch capability - not the commercial project - for 16 years, across three presidential administrations. The costs have been truly astronomical, and it STILL is not ready yet.
It is time for NASA to retire from the rocket building business and leave it to the commercial vendors to develop these capabilities from now on. NASA will supervise the bids, but we need to keep in mind that these are not the same geniuses that previously landed men on the moon. All of those people are long gone.
The NASA development of a human space launch capsule and rocket is what was started in 2004 to replace the space shuttle. NASA continues to work on that to this day, as you know very well. The current version of the capsule is called Orion and the rocket is the Space Launch System (SLS).
Yes, this has been covered several times in the thread. Doesn't change the fact that the commercial crew program is A: Entirely different from the SLS and B: The direct result of an Obama-era initiative that paid off incredibly well.
Yes, this has been covered several times in the thread. Doesn't change the fact that the commercial crew program is A: Entirely different from the SLS and B: The direct result of an Obama-era initiative that paid off incredibly well.
This flight is the outcome of the Commercial Crew Program: Fact.
The Commercial Crew Program was an Obama-era initiative: Fact.
The 2004 CEV initiative (which has zero to do with this launch) became part of Constellation, which was canceled in 2010: Fact.
Congress re-animated Constellation in the form of the SLS program in 2011: Fact.
SLS is lumbering its old-school NASA way through billions of dollars of pork: OK, that's an opinion, but based in fact.
Neither CEV, Constellation nor the SLS has anything to do with this launch: Fact.
There's a book coming out on the battle that was fought over the commercial crew program, looks like it may be an interesting read:
This flight is the outcome of the Commercial Crew Program: Fact.
The Commercial Crew Program was an Obama-era initiative: Fact.
The 2004 CEV initiative (which has zero to do with this launch) became part of Constellation, which was canceled in 2010: Fact.
Congress re-animated Constellation in the form of the SLS program in 2011: Fact.
SLS is lumbering its old-school NASA way through billions of dollars of pork: OK, that's an opinion, but based in fact.
Neither CEV, Constellation nor the SLS has anything to do with this launch: Fact.
There's a book coming out on the battle that was fought over the commercial crew program, looks like it may be an interesting read:
The original line of discussion that we are finishing off here was about the failed efforts of NASA with the CEV/SLS effort to develop a manned space flight capability to replace the space shuttle. You initially were making the case that the entire effort to develop a human launch capability to replace the space shuttle started with Obama and that all Bush was doing was a resupply program for the space station, or something. In fact, it was Bush who announced the retirement of the space shuttle and the initial plans to try to develop a replacement for it.
I have advocated for the commercial alternative, starting with the OP in this thread, and repeatedly thereafter, and actually long before that elsewhere.
The only reason why we are having this exchange is because of your excessively fond feelings for Barack Obama. I find that almost vomit inducing. Either way, it has nothing to do with launching humans into space, which is what I would prefer that this thread be about.
The only reason why we are having this exchange is because of your excessively fond feelings for Barack Obama. I find that almost vomit inducing. Either way, it has nothing to do with launching humans into space, which is what I would prefer that this thread be about.
Obama was all about putting America "IN IT'S PLACE" on the world stage. Meaning unfairly criticize, demonize, and apologize constantly, but also destroy some our our proudest institutions and heritage. Obama would rather launch unmanned drones at civilians than promote American progress and exceptionalism.
This was Obama's vision for NASA's new direction....
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NASA Administrator Charles Bolden says his foremost mission as head of the space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world. Bolden told the Arabic network Al Jazeera that the Muslim outreach is one of three objectives he was given by President Obama.
"One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math -- he wanted me to expand our international relationships and third and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science... and math and engineering," Bolden said.
It had to be seen to be believed, but we quickly learned to never be surprised by anything Mr. Obama said or did. And, for the record, my stance in early 2009 was to give the man a chance.
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