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View Poll Results: Was it murder
Yes 299 58.86%
No 68 13.39%
Don't know/let's wait and see as more evidence is gathered 141 27.76%
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Old 05-11-2020, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Is it really so hard to imagine law enforcement looked at the video of Arbery violently attacking the gun owner & thought "That looks like self defense"? Let's suppose Arbery disarmed the shooter, then what happens? Arbery let's him go? Arbery let's the father go too? Arbery just walks home carrying the shot gun?

Arbery doesn't "deserve to die" because he was casing a construction site, or because he attacked someone, but let's be honest at least. Arbery was not jogging in his cargo shorts & boots while carrying a hammer. Arbery had two illegal gun convictions on his wrap sheet & had run from police in the past, injuring two cops in that incident. Again, his past doesn't mean he deserved to die, but he's no innocent jogger.
But law enforcement did look and the first prosecutor came to the conclusion that this was a case of self defense by McMichael. The Glynn County Police chief claims the prosecutor told him under no circumstances was he to arrest McMichael but their department has a history of covering up for police.
Arbery's history has not one thing to do with this case.

 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The hammer I linked a page back. Go check it out.
A hammer is a burglary too in the right circumstances (like here). It also doubles as a deadly weapon.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You are arguing that the person being chased by at least 2 carloads of loaded gun toting guys willing to kill him is the aggressor ????
You are arguing that the person charging a person and throwing punches is not the aggressor ????
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's emotional thinking. What does the law say?
Most states don't allow people to chase down possible burglary suspects on public streets, just attempting to add some rational perspective to what would be considered outrageous behavior in just about every state.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Arbery's history has not one thing to do with this case.
The only reason his history is relevant is because he was initially being painted as a complete innocent rather than a thief with a history of weapons charges who was looking for things to steal inside a house.

When there is an attempt to paint his character in a good light, it makes his history relevant to some degree.....but that said, the only thing that really matters is that he decided to attack armed men. It was that decision, and no other, that cost him his life. He makes basically any other choice and he's alive right now.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:08 AM
 
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The only reason his history is relevant is because he was initially being painted as a complete innocent rather than a thief with a history of weapons charges who was looking for things to steal inside a house.

When there is an attempt to paint his character in a good light, it makes his history relevant to some degree.....but that said, the only thing that really matters is that he decided to attack armed men. It was that decision, and no other, that cost him his life. He makes basically any other choice and he's alive right now.
Decided? More like he was running for his life from bubbas with rifles.

I know it’s hard to imagine but I seriously doubt all these internet tough guys would just surrender when chased by people with rifles.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Texas
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He was killed because two morons, one being a retired cop who would know damn well what constitutes the permission to perform a citizen's arrest, chased him down and confronted him with guns in their hands.

Had they handled it the right way, calling the active duty cops, none of this would have happened.
The ones who "caught" the criminal are not responsible for the actions of that criminal. Adults take responsibility for their actions. They didn't make that criminal do anything. The criminal attacked an armed man. He made a bad decision. He's known for it.

If I'm armed and someone attacks my I'll shoot. That's what guns are for.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:11 AM
 
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Decided? More like he was running for his life from bubbas with rifles.

I know it’s hard to imagine but I seriously doubt all these internet tough guys would just surrender when chased by people with rifles.
Yes, he decided. He ran past them, then doubled back in order to attack. It was basically the only decision that he could have made that would have cost him his life. Had he surrendered, or merely kept on running, he'd be alive now. Instead, he gets a Darwin award and those who make their living working up certain demographics by pushing certain narratives have plenty of material to profit off of.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:12 AM
 
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A hammer is a burglary too in the right circumstances (like here). It also doubles as a deadly weapon.
There was no hammer. And he wasn't wearing boots. The supposed boots were the first reason that people said he wasn't a jogger. Lo and behold, they were not boots!
 
Old 05-11-2020, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Regardless of what Arbery was doing, jogging, walking, even if he was breaking into houses...what was done was murder. There was no reason for those two rednecks to kill him.
This.

The rednecks aren't cops, therefore, had no business chasing him and shooting him.
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