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Originally Posted by jencam
His ex wife.
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The "proof" comes from a so called social media screen shot. That's all that's there, and you don't see the names on this so called "social media screen shot". It is also extremely easy to create a fake social media post. Someone on a so called social media post saying, "OMG, that's MY gas mask!" doesn't prove anything. How in the hell would someone know that's "their" gas mask? There's no identifying features on that gas mask to separate it from any other gas mask.
Then we have the side by side of an officer and the dude in the mask. They claim it's him. The eyelids are totally different. The cop has heavy eyelids. The guy in the mask does not.
That's their "proof" that they came up with. No, you're (general 'you') going to have to do a whole lot better than a so called social media screen shot, and matching one white guy to another white guy whose face is mostly hidden behind a gas mask - a gas mask that looks exactly the same as any other gas mask, so no way for some "wife" to declare "that's mine!"
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Originally Posted by mkpunk
I'm gonna have to disagree with you. Putting a knee in the back or the neck is not generally a best practice while making an arrest because it can kill. A number of "suspects" died specifically due to someone sitting or kneeling on that "suspect" during an arrest prior to it being discouraged. Unless the Twin Cities PD didn't change that policy, the officer used an illegal hold since it is unnecessary and potentially deadly force.
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The mayor already came out and said that what that officer did was not approved for MPD to use. Therefore, despite how many want to argue the legality of it, if it was not approved for MPD to use, it was an illegal hold.
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Originally Posted by ClaraC
I don't agree. I don't think this career cop intended to kill this man in full view of a crowd of onlookers who were begging him to let Mr. Floyd up.
That doesn't make sense to me. But I do believe he meant to do grievous harm, and get away with it.
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We don't always see eye to eye on these types of things, as you well know, but I do appreciate when you seek answers, and even though you were slammed for it, your plea to "talk" and learn from each other. I don't think that is something people should have slammed you for - I think it was genuine, and you're right, we can't learn if we don't listen to each other.
However, I stand by what I believe: You do not use an illegal hold on someone who was of no threat to you, for 9 solid minutes, blatantly doing so in front of others - including his own friends/family, whoever it was in that car with him, if you have no intent to kill. Police officers know what that move is. This cop didn't do that move because he had no other idea to contain Floyd, he did it because he knew good and well what it would do to a person.
The rest of this is not a response to any one specific poster:
Someone brought up that it's a move you can see in wrestling. I ask, do you see people doing this move in wrestling for 9 solid minutes? You don't. If the person was saying he couldn't breathe, would the ref just stand there and say, "If you can talk, you can breathe, I'm not ending the fight"? If the body went limp during the match, would the ref, or anyone in the stands watching, or the player's coach, just stand there and say, "He's fine, no need to let up"? Of course not. Why? Because they know that the person could potentially suffer serious injuries or death.
But now, we are supposed to excuse a cop using an illegal move, not authorized for him to use, sitting on this guy's neck for 9 minutes, listen to Floyd beg, see that Floyd is not a danger to the cop or anyone else as he was already handcuffed, skip right over all "use of force" steps - ignoring the fact that there were other cops right there, there were more across the street, who can have easily contained Floyd without resorting to sitting on his neck.
I've seen plenty of videos where cops have shot a person, and immediately they all rush to start performing whatever medical assistance that they can while they wait for an EMT to arrive. They are all taught basic life saving measures. They all know CPR. They all know basic first aid. They all know to ask, "Can you breathe? Are you okay?" when they check someone over.
But now, we are supposed to suspend reality and pretend that these cops had no idea that this man was dying, and that he had died? And then, they do NOTHING to help him, just keep sitting on his neck?
No. Other people may wish to suspend reality in order to screech "what about white people" and their incredibly ridiculous conspiracy theories about the whole thing, but I will not. Officers are trained. They have to pass training to get on the force. Saying that they weren't trained well, is not true.
It's not the training that is lacking, it's the accountability that is lacking. That's the problem, and it starts much higher than the street cop. Much, much higher. It gets into the political aspect - and that is why we see this happen again, and again, and again. Because politicians don't give a flying F about anyone. Bribes are made, money changes hands, favors are called in - it's all political. Doesn't matter which side it is, all of it ends up being political.
As soon as people get that through their heads, we can start making a huge difference. We start to throw them out, both sides - this is not a one sided issue, it's BOTH SIDES doing this to you! Until we finally get completely pulled out of our comfortable places we've been lulled into believing is real, nothing will change.
Instead of whining about "what about white people" get a grip and understand that while this is a black man who was, yet again, killed by a cop, and that for some, this is also about racism, trust that even if you think it's all manufactured by the media, police brutality is an issue for everyone. No one should ever condone police brutality or even try to find excuses for it.
As for the rioters - do not put the protestors in the same pool as the rioters. They are not the same people. The rioters have been said in other cities to be from out of state, so, no, it's not just the Minn mayor saying that trying to cover his backside, other local governments are saying the same thing: All of those who were arrested were from out of state.
We all know that panti-fa and other thugs out there love nothing more than to go to a protest and start rioting. Not because they actually care about Mike Brown or care about George Floyd, or care about anyone else. They do it to cause mayhem and destruction, they are paid to do it, they are "trained", they are bused in, and off they go. (We have evidence of all of this not only for this stupid riot, but for past ones, as well...and it has been presented before - so if you (in general) were not paying attention the first time it was provided, then you do the research on it and stop being lazy.)
They do it to push an agenda that has nothing to do with the incident. It has everything to do with trying to cause a bigger divide. "Never let a crisis go to waste".
If you have not paid attention in the past, then wait for the next incident, because there will be a next incident. Watch how fast rioters get there, and how fast they start tearing things down. If you can't wait, then go back through our past - even our recent past - they are always there, and they aren't from the area. Every. Single. Time.
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