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Old 11-16-2020, 09:23 AM
 
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Either way, it should be called the Trump Flu because by far the worst outbreak in the entire world happened in the USA under his watch.
No Einstein, it is the China flu, why? Because it came from China, that is a fact. Of course a communist regime would not tell you the truth now would they, Einstein? In fact, regimes like China's CCP, it is not a stretch to think that China, under trade pressure and up and coming trade renegotiations, may have released the virus on purpose, creating an on fly dumpster voting machine ran by------

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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No Einstein, it is the China flu, why? Because it came from China, that is a fact. Of course a communist regime would not tell you the truth now would they, Einstein? In fact, regimes like China's CCP, it is not a stretch to think that China, under trade pressure and up and coming trade renegotiations, may have released the virus on purpose.
Really? Science and facts are not your cup of tea, right?
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:26 AM
 
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Italy has just reported that the virus was circulating there since at least September 2019, three months before the outbreak in Wuhan.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN27V0KF

It's probably been around for years and mutated into its present form. They estimated that it would take the original 2003 SARS virus 20 to 80 years to mutate to the COVID-19. Circulating in urban areas facilitates faster mutation.
interesting find.

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The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:44 AM
 
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1. China has spun a lot of deflective conspiracies including one claiming the US military unleashed it on wuhan.

2. Diseases can circulate and then spread relatively undetected until you get enough mass that they start looking into it due to abnormal numbers of deaths or unusual circumstances. HIV for example was around for 80 years before it suddenly *burst* onto the scene.

A lot of people in those cities could easily have just blown it off as "the flu" since the death rate is so low. Even for some that died it would just be considered flu.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:47 AM
 
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Seems that northern Italy, specifically Lombardy (the province hardest hit by the virus), is a bat hot spot, with about 30 bat species:

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Old 11-16-2020, 09:48 AM
 
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that youtuber is an anti-china fellow whose entire channel is based on badmouthing china.
the virus being manufactured in a wuhan lab was already debunked - https://rapidreviewscovid19.mitpress...275c/release/2
Your link doesn't work, try this for now: https://web.archive.org/web/20201010...275c/release/2

Anyways, I'm not buying the hypothesis that it started in a lab in Wuhan but the mere fact that others are circulating the rumor is enough to get China to create other rumors to counteract it.

And even if there's compelling evidence to refute it, some people will still be in denial. Just take Pizzagate as an example.
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:00 AM
 
Location: NYC
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alittle off topic but

China finds coronavirus on frozen meat, packaging from Latin America, New Zealand


Can Covid really last that long on frozen goods? and survive transportation???
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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Yes, I suppose that's possible. I mean, we freeze organic stuff including food to keep it from rotting, we even freeze sperms and eggs for years. Why would it not preserve a virus, which is not even a living being, it has no metabolism or anything...
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:11 AM
 
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1. China has spun a lot of deflective conspiracies including one claiming the US military unleashed it on wuhan.

2. Diseases can circulate and then spread relatively undetected until you get enough mass that they start looking into it due to abnormal numbers of deaths or unusual circumstances. HIV for example was around for 80 years before it suddenly *burst* onto the scene.

A lot of people in those cities could easily have just blown it off as "the flu" since the death rate is so low. Even for some that died it would just be considered flu.
Exactly there reports in the US in November and December with doctors and ERs seeing patients with unknown flu symptoms. And a lot would've blown it off as the flu. Which meant it was probably carried into the US sometime in late October.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/05/cou...november-2019/
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:22 AM
 
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alittle off topic but

China finds coronavirus on frozen meat, packaging from Latin America, New Zealand


Can Covid really last that long on frozen goods? and survive transportation???
Yeah it can. Higher temps like 130-140F for 15mintes will kill it though so this summer on a hot day you could leave stuff in the car and pretty much kill any covid on it.

China is going to find coronavirus on packaging and report it to once again try to create smoke that it started elsewhere and isn't just returning.
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