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What's Russia got to do with it, unless just to make the point I made. It still doesn't work. Just the boot pressure lifted only a little, off their throats.
The people of Russia are prosperous? Russia's GDP is where in the world? How is that Russian middle class doing?
It gets tyrannical, when the collective comes after an individuals endowed rights as a free human.
I only pointed at the fact that Russia exhibits pretty much the same features without any communism.
Thus whatever you ascribe to *communism* are most likely the NATIONAL characteristics, and not "ism" of any kind.
Quite a few of the industrialists got themselves an invitation to Nuremberg as well.
I figured that much. But the point is - they were definitely there, while in socialist countries those private companies ( big or small) were notably absent.
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And it's noteworthy that the US wartime economy was managed centrally to a much higher degree than the Nazi one.
Admittedly, that was partially due to the fact that the Nazis weren't the organized, well-oiled, attentive machinery often depicted in popular culture. With the exception of the Wehrmacht - who backed Hitler, thinking they could control him - the Nazi administration employed a staggering number of fumbling incompetents who spent as much time on infighting as they did trying to run the machinery of state. Evil and malicious, sure, but really bad administrators.
Oh I can picture that.
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For instance: As much as I admire my countrymen's rescue of the Danish Jews, it's noteworthy that the head of Gestapo in Denmark and the head of German troops in Denmark hated each other. So when the military was ordered to assist the Gestapo, the military commander saw a great chance to make the head of the Gestapo look bad, and the assistance rendered was carefully calculated to be as ineffective as possible within the orders given. (This does not subtract form the courage of the rescuers, who couldn't know this.)
Was he a Dane or a German ( the head of Gestapo) ?
Looks like the liberal socialists are putting up yet ANOTHER thread trying as hard as it can to say, "Well, the 1930-1945 German National SOCIALIST Workers' Party" weren't REALLY socialist... umm, not really...."?
A number of countries are socialist, and baldly say so. No two are quite alike. Socialism has many flavors, all related. But they are all still socialist.
If I were you, I might try to duck the facts as hard as you are trying. They are beyond shameful.
But ducking them doesn't make them false.
The Nazis were their own brand of SOCIALISTS, and freely admitted it daily.
The main reason they invaded and fought the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics was because (a) they wanted to steal what the USSR's people had, and (b) they couldn't stand the competition, as far-left socialists never can.
Was he a Dane or a German ( the head of Gestapo) ?
Just curious.
Both German. Werner Best (Gestapo) and von Hanneken (Wehrmacht). And it's not as if von Hanneken was in favor of the soft touch in general, but when given half a chance to sabotage Best, he jumped at it. (Gotta dig out that book from storage, now.)
Looks like the liberal socialists are putting up yet ANOTHER thread trying as hard as it can to say, "Well, the 1930-1945 German National SOCIALIST Workers' Party" weren't REALLY socialist... umm, not really...."?
A number of countries are socialist, and baldly say so. No two are quite alike. Socialism has many flavors, all related. But they are all still socialist. To call them socialist is a poor attempt to re-write history.
If I were you, I might try to duck the facts as hard as you are trying. They are beyond shameful.
But ducking them doesn't make them false.
The Nazis were their own brand of SOCIALISTS, and freely admitted it daily.
The main reason they invaded and fought the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics was because (a) they wanted to steal what the USSR's people had, and (b) they couldn't stand the competition, as far-left socialists never can.
You can argue every country is socialist, but it would be intellectually dishonest. Nazis were a very poor example of socialism.
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Socialsim: A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The above was not true in Nazi Germany.
Some people are hell bent on trying to associate them with US political parties, but its a fools errand.
They were populist nationalists and fascists. They were actually a counter response to left-wing movements of the time, and the Nazis were joined by every other right-wing group in Germany, which numbered around 70.
North Korea = Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Would it make sense to argue they must be a democracy because they inserted the work into the name?
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Looks like the liberal socialists are putting up yet ANOTHER thread trying as hard as it can to say, "Well, the 1930-1945 German National SOCIALIST Workers' Party" weren't REALLY socialist... umm, not really...."?
If you look at OP's posting history he is very much not a liberal or socialist.
Westie, I think the word you digging for is Fascism. Nazi's murdered about as many non-Jew people as they did Jews. Nazi's had access to less people to murder than did the Russians. If the Nazi's had won Russia, I'm sure they would have murdered everybody. So what your point, that Nazi's were wonderful?
His point is that he wants to rewrite history so that the Nazis were not socialists.
The world is always spoon fed the Holocaust story yet the 60 to 100 million murdered by Bolshevik Scum is never talked about.
Wonder why?
Well the survivors of the Holocaust actively work to maintain the memory of that atrocity. Unfortunately, the same isn't true of the Ukrainian famine under Joseph Stalin, the Cambodian genocide, Japanese war crimes, or the atrocities in the Congo.
Here's what HItler said in a SPEECH in 1927. He said it. There's a record of it:
“We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Of course, since that is not in the rote definition the left uses to distance their actions from their ideology, they argue that Nazis were not socialists in the purist sense.
Who else is the enemy of capitalism? communists, socialists (also communists), democratic socialists (also communists), BLM (also communists), and people on this board who argue people are not socialists because their membership does not meet a very narrow definition and also makes socialism look bad.
Leftists will argue that Nazis were nationalists. That is likely true. They were in love with their vision of what Germany could be. So here in America, if you love your country, and believe it is good, believe in our sovereignty, the constitution, individualism, and happen to be a white person, they'll call you a nationalist on their way to calling you a Nazi. If you are black and love your country, then you are a token or an "Uncle Tom". You're a Black Nazi in their eyes. Obviously, our vision does not include the extermination of millions of people and the subjugation of other people considered inferior by the Nazis. Our vision includes opportunity and freedom for individuals of all races and creeds.
Who are the anti-semites now? Who can't hide their anger and their hatred for jews now? The left. Nick Cannon is the latest example.
Who looks down upon people that don't agree with them? The left. They are ideological purists, promoting cancel culture, policing of thoughts and speech, and never take responsibility for the disastrous results of their policies. If you decide killing babies is not your thing, you are not welcome in the left. If you believe in the extermination of black people via Eugenics, like Margaret Sanger of Planned Parenthood, then you _ARE_ the left.
Put your thinking caps on and choose wisely.
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