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Old 10-25-2020, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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At this point, Mark Meadows is doing his best to bake in the lean Biden voters for Biden.
I truly wonder how many current White House staffers and Cabinet members will be quietly voting for Biden. They experience the crazy up close and personal every day.
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Very sad time for the country.

Still no plan. Couldn’t be honest to citizens of this country and never implemented an effective testing plan.

Now thinks we trust him with a vaccine?
what would be an effective testing plan currently?
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I truly wonder how many current White House staffers and Cabinet members will be quietly voting for Biden. They experience the crazy up close and personal every day.
I think the Coronavirus response from Trump has been terrible, but Meadows is right.

This is more about Americans horrible behavior more than it is about Trump, Meadows, Biden, Harris. He is correct that the solution is therapeutics and a vaccine.

Biden or Harris will have no more control than Trump over the COVID-19 situation in America.

Trump, Biden, Meadows, Harris can't do anything about the fact that by and large Americans are refusing to what it takes to contain the pandemic.

I agree with face covering mandates and fines but half the people aren't going to wear them correctly no matter what and Americans by and large refuse to adhere to the 6 foot rule in public.

Americans by and large are not going to socially distance and many are not going to wear masks correctly.

I have been in many neighborhoods since the pandemic began that are heavily Democratic and many don't wear their face coverings properly and people don't keep a 6 foot distance in Democratic voting areas by and large.

The White House, Trump, Biden or Harris can't control the fact that Americans by and large are going to refuse to make an effort other than wearing a thin facial covering that half the people don't even know how to wear properly.

The only way to control it is with a vaccine or therapeutics.
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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True, but we can take prudent measures which Trump, Pence and team are intent on disregarding the most basic protocols that they have previously touted. What they don't care about is that millions of Americans simply can't afford to get sick; they can't get or have any expectation of getting the care the WH team gets. Instead, they will be going bankrupt paying medical bills. If there is a health plan for these folks, let's hear it now. But we know, there is no plan other than let many die, many get sick, many go bankrupt. That's the GOP plan. Its a plan of despair and death.
I believe if you'll actually look into it, you will find insurance companies covering Covid and the government covering those without insurance.
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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That's one approach, but will cause more deaths and illness. Seems to Trumps plan. What we should be doing is this:



"The critically important thing is to actually control the spread of the virus. As long as people fear that they will bump into contagious people who do not know they have the disease, economic activity is going to be depressed. Testing, tracing, masks, medical equipment—anything you can do to reduce the rate of spread of the infection—are the keys to improving the economy." U.S. Congress Joint Economic Committee - September 22, 2020 - Austan D. Goolsbee.
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_c...-9-22-2020.pdf
that's Obama's economic adviser.

What did he say, and what did the Obama admin do, in 2009 with H1N1?
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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I think the Coronavirus response from Trump has been terrible, but Meadows is right.

Trump, Biden, Meadows, Harris can't do anything about the fact that by and large Americans are refusing to what it takes to contain the pandemic.

I agree with face covering mandates and fines but half the people aren't going to wear them correctly no matter what and Americans by and large refuse to adhere to the 6 foot rule in public.

Americans by and large are not going to socially distance and many are not going to wear masks correctly.

I have been in many neighborhoods since the pandemic began that are heavily Democratic and many don't wear their face coverings properly and people don't keep a 6 foot distance in Democratic voting areas by and large.

The White House, Trump, Biden or Harris can't control the fact that Americans by and large are going to refuse to make an effort other than wearing a thin facial covering that half the people don't even know how to wear properly.

The only way to control it is with a vaccine or therapeutics.
And all of the things you've described are within the realm of "management" which Trump has shown zero interest in furthering in order to protect citizens, as well as businesses. He only wants to keep having ego-stroking rallies and avoid being seen wearing a mask which he believes make him appear weak. He's that shallow. And he's President.
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:38 AM
 
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I would love to know what "plan" all of the people who are complaining there is no "plan" would put into place.
Testing results are good for 24 hours. Someone can test negative one day and positive the next just by living their life.
Mask wearing is pretty much the only thing that's reasonable.
Closing down businesses and destroying the lives of business owners, kids being made to feel fear every time they turn around, psychological damage, physical ailments not being treated because people are afraid to go out, psychological stress on everyone is getting old.
Not to mention the constitutionality of the "laws" that mayors put into place.

Put on a mask and go about your life.

Death rates are going down in this country.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...19-death-rates
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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That's one approach, but will cause more deaths and illness. Seems to Trumps plan. What we should be doing is this:



"The critically important thing is to actually control the spread of the virus. As long as people fear that they will bump into contagious people who do not know they have the disease, economic activity is going to be depressed. Testing, tracing, masks, medical equipment—anything you can do to reduce the rate of spread of the infection—are the keys to improving the economy." U.S. Congress Joint Economic Committee - September 22, 2020 - Austan D. Goolsbee.
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_c...-9-22-2020.pdf
and who is selling the panic of "bumping into someone" and catching the virus?

That's certainly NOT the science, but I see people everyday on social media furthering this narrative that the most casual contact (passing each other outside walking) can transmit the virus.
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Old 10-25-2020, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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This is incorrect and slanted. Other countries have controlled its spread much more successfully. We rank near the bottom with Brazil, Peru, India, etc.
And as with the nations cited above, we have a diverse, multiracial and scattered population, and in the case of Brazil, one tainted by a former color line and a legacy left over from slavery. And a portion of our political spectrum and their allies in the media are poised to exploit this embarrassment for all it's worth.

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Old 10-25-2020, 11:52 AM
 
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Biden or Harris will have no more control than Trump over the COVID-19 situation in America.

Trump, Biden, Meadows, Harris can't do anything about the fact that by and large Americans are refusing to what it takes to contain the pandemic.

I agree with face covering mandates and fines but half the people aren't going to wear them correctly no matter what and Americans by and large refuse to adhere to the 6 foot rule in public.

Americans by and large are not going to socially distance and many are not going to wear masks correctly.
It's the sad truth and something I have mentioned over and over on here since March, it doesn't matter if Trump is President or if Biden is President or if Hillary is President or if Mickey Mouse is President, it's the people/citizens of the country, not who's in charge, that cause how bad the pandemic is or will continue to be.

Let's fast forward and say Biden is elected, half the country will not listen to a word he says and tell him to f-off and they will continue to do whatever they want to do, it will not change any trajectory on where the pandemic is going in this country!
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