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Old 10-25-2020, 03:42 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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China is controlling it.
Using what measures?
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Old 10-25-2020, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Without those reports, obviously, you can't criticize his actions.
Sure I can.
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Old 10-25-2020, 03:56 PM
 
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Italy is moving up the "death per million" count about half the rate of the USA...or put another way, more "per capita" are dying here than there - and they are putting some serious restrictions back in place, right now. Because they can. We can't.
Italy saw the worst of it. They KNOW they cannot handle the full force of the thing if left to bloom on its own. They proved to themselves that it can, indeed, cause more sick people than fit in a hospital.

What Italy does is good for Italy. But it may not be good for the USA. The USA can handle many - many - more cases simultaneously (per capita) than Italy - because of the geographical space. No two sick people in Italy are 3000 miles apart - the USA is unique in that regard.
Many of you seem to think that reducing the spread to zero is the only avenue. That avenue is just not practical. ALL nations are just deciding for themselves how many (simultaneous) sick people their health care system can tolerate. They are not deciding how many deaths can be prevented, at least not mainly. It's about resources. With that in mind, go ahead and compare the responses of different nations. It's not about stopping the virus, totally. This is an important point to realize: If NO ONE died tomorrow from COVID - life would not return to normal. That's because it could STILL swamp a health care system at the local level.
So now you say, well, we have to reduce cases to zero! ZERO!! If we could do that - we would. But we can't.
We don't have the tracking tools, the punitive measures to back it up, or the willing participation of many of the citizens. That's the only way to reduce it to ZERO. Then close the borders - and never let anyone in or out. Not truck drivers, not immigrants, not tourists - no one. Then put up a windscreen at our land borders to stop the virus from Mexico or Canada. You can see stopping it totally is not possible.
So what are we doing here? As I said - we're doing whatever is needed to keep local health care systems from being overwhelmed. That's it. Pray for a vaccine - because, financially, or socially - nothing is going to change until either a) it dies out by itself, somehow - or b) we help it along, with a vaccine.
In the meantime, people will get sick, and some will die, that's just a consequence of a (mainly) free nation. Don't wanna get sick? Do whatever it is you think should be done - by yourself. Stay home. Alone. It's foolproof.
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Old 10-25-2020, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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you've got to have a certain admiration for a committed partisan

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It’s no wonder when he closed down the National Pandemic office and has had 4 years to replenish emergency stock piles, but like rest of the administration chose to do nothing unless it personally benefitted himself.

Then tries to pretend he acted by shutting down the borders to China.

““We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”

“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.””

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/th...-restrictions/

By the way, no news on the wall???
1. the office wasn't shut down, the positions were shifted around. First google result:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/...e-coronavirus/

2. He had 3 years, and a CDC/FDA bureaucracy in charge of requesting funds to replenish it since that same bureaucracy under Obama/Biden didn't replenish it since 2009 (H1N1).
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...-ppe-shortage/

3. You don't get to play it both ways on travel restrictions from China. And please don't quote "It was just dumb luck on H1N1" Ron Klain from March with any sense of it being current. This is also from your article:
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the policy prohibits non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.
Are not these International travelers checked in those airports that were designated as intakes?

4. The wall = https://twitter.com/CBPMarkMorgan/st...14836858245120 and you can follow it here:
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/...er-wall-system it's about 5 miles every week.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Put on a mask and go about your life.
Except there are people who won't do that one little thing, yet still expect to be able to move freely about the community.

This would be great if everyone would do it.

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I have been wearing the same mask into stores and doctors since May/June?
And you haven't asked your doctors for a new mask?

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Other countries are different from this country. There's really no way to even begin to compare.
True. Other countries have responsible leadership at the national level. We are SOL in that department.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:55 PM
 
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Very sad time for the country.

Still no plan. Couldn’t be honest to citizens of this country and never implemented an effective testing plan.

Now thinks we trust him with a vaccine?
It's a sad time for the world. I'm so sick of this being a political issue. Trump is not to blame. China is. They are the only country controlling the virus to almost nothing. Most countries in the world are struggling with record surge. I took just a random country in Europe. Switzerland. Yep, they are having record surge too. This is a global crisis and it is ridiculous to think we would have a low death and infection rate under a different president.


https://apnews.com/article/virus-out...f9abe542d699d0
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:59 PM
 
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More than 224,000 people have died from the virus in the U.S.

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Says you. That's alleged deaths. If you take out the number of deaths were only 'Covid-related' but not directly Covid-only deaths...that number drops significantly. Nice try, but I ain't buying your 'truth'....
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:01 PM
 
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Except there are people who won't do that one little thing, yet still expect to be able to move freely about the community.

This would be great if everyone would do it.


And you haven't asked your doctors for a new mask?


True. Other countries have responsible leadership at the national level. We are SOL in that department.
Now, be nice, sheeple gal......
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:28 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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This just in:
Trumpers suffer whiplash from "It's a hoax" to "We can't control it". It's too hard...we can't do it. Trump administration is throwing in the towel because his base won't wear a mask or observe social distancing and the administration won't follow the science. When the going gets tough, the Trump gang doesn't know what to do. Trump did this. Disgraceful. Un-American. Defeatist.
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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And you haven't asked your doctors for a new mask?
Of course I have. They have only had the ones with elastic now. I am ALLERGIC to elastic.
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