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Old 09-26-2020, 09:47 AM
 
Location: War World!
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Now, I am not anti-cop. I have/had my gripes with cops and I do think there needs to be some reform. The vast majority of the time my experiences with cops have been good and cordial. Only 2 times did I have truly terrible experience with cops whom were just looking to abuse their power. Overall, I do think police are needed and I give police men and women a ton of credit, I know its not an easy job.

My thing is this: I find many conservatives super "BACK THE BLUE!" but what happens if they have their marching orders and they don't care about you? For instance, there's been a few cases of people not wearing their mask, getting arrested. There was a recent case in Hollywood where this one driver who tried escaping the BLM mob and instead of the mob getting in any trouble, the cops arrested the driver who was trying to flee the mob. You have police officers who will enforce closing down small businesses who defy orders from the state and/or city. Yet, they'll stand by and lot the ANTIFA BLM mob run amok.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=OhASWfJupqA



How about these Christians who were arrested and not obeying social distancing rules and not wearing mask?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qvDQuuAIc

Or this lady in Ohio who didn't wear a mask at a football game:




I know this isn't always the case, I am sure there's plenty of cops who will do what is right, what they deem is moral and not what the law tells them is right. In fact, there was a cop who was arrested for posting a video on Youtube about how he's not going to enforce shutting down small business.








The point is, will you conservatives whom are super "BACK THE BLUE!", how would you feel if cops start coming after you for difference of thought? For not wanting to shut down your business? Not wearing mask? Not social distancing? How can you support these cops whom are "just doing their job"?

Its not to say to start rallying against cops but again, the point remains. How can you support the blue who doesn't support you? But only will support the state, obey the $$$. Not all but you get the point.

I'm aware cops are being thrown under the bus and I'm aware of the agenda of it all. I get it. Don't mistake me but I think its important for conservatives to understand that the excuse of "just doing my job" shouldn't be accepted.
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Old 09-26-2020, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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For the most part (not 100% of the time), the issue isn't LE, it's their leadership, who is often driven by politics. It is the political leadership of most cities that has allowed looting, rioting and violence to take place, while ordering police to "stand down" and let it happen. It is political leadership that have banned the use of rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse violent mobs. It is political leadership that has passed mask mandates and ordered police to enforce them. It is political leadership that has allowed left-wing mobs to "protest" without interference, while ordering the same LEOs to stomp out any kind of conservative rally.

This isn't always the case. Sometimes police make mistakes or don't understand who the bad guys really are. And yes, there are some bad cops, that might actually support progressives or domestic terror organizations like BLM or Pantifa. But they are a small minority.
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Old 09-26-2020, 11:08 PM
 
Location: War World!
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For the most part (not 100% of the time), the issue isn't LE, it's their leadership, who is often driven by politics. It is the political leadership of most cities that has allowed looting, rioting and violence to take place, while ordering police to "stand down" and let it happen. It is political leadership that have banned the use of rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse violent mobs. It is political leadership that has passed mask mandates and ordered police to enforce them. It is political leadership that has allowed left-wing mobs to "protest" without interference, while ordering the same LEOs to stomp out any kind of conservative rally.

This isn't always the case. Sometimes police make mistakes or don't understand who the bad guys really are. And yes, there are some bad cops, that might actually support progressives or domestic terror organizations like BLM or Pantifa. But they are a small minority.

I get what you're saying and your points are valid.


Here's the question: What happens when/if cops keep arresting conservatives, moderates, apolitical; simply people whom want to keep their business open, who don't wear a mask, follow social distancing etc. Those whom are defending themselves from people whom are threatening their livelihood, then get arrested? Yet, they are being told to "stand down" by the city and/or state. What happens if conservatives (mainly) get tired of the "Blue" not backing them? The consequences can be the conservatives taking the law into their own hands and seek justice as they see fit.

Which causes a problem for the blue:

-You have the left who hate the police but then demand that police take action when they see fit
-Then you have the right who are frustrated and feel betrayed that the cops aren't backing them. So then they abandon their support for the police.

This will leave "The Blue" in a pickle and can possibly lead to even more lawlessness. Because now they have no support.
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Old 09-26-2020, 11:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Keep your phone or camera with you at all times. If something starts happening, video everything, Then call your local TV or radio station.

Not a perfect solution. But sometimes the results can be startling. And very instructive.
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Old 09-26-2020, 11:38 PM
 
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I get what you're saying and your points are valid.


Here's the question: What happens when/if cops keep arresting conservatives, moderates, apolitical; simply people whom want to keep their business open, who don't wear a mask, follow social distancing etc. Those whom are defending themselves from people whom are threatening their livelihood, then get arrested? Yet, they are being told to "stand down" by the city and/or state. What happens if conservatives (mainly) get tired of the "Blue" not backing them? The consequences can be the conservatives taking the law into their own hands and seek justice as they see fit.

Which causes a problem for the blue:

-You have the left who hate the police but then demand that police take action when they see fit
-Then you have the right who are frustrated and feel betrayed that the cops aren't backing them. So then they abandon their support for the police.

This will leave "The Blue" in a pickle and can possibly lead to even more lawlessness. Because now they have no support.
This is exactly what Ive been saying too!


Good patriotic Americans are NOT going to sit by and tolerate police arresting people for simply defending themselves or their property!!
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Old 09-27-2020, 12:24 AM
 
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I'm aware cops are being thrown under the bus and I'm aware of the agenda of it all. I get it. Don't mistake me but I think its important for conservatives to understand that the excuse of "just doing my job" shouldn't be accepted.
But all along, 99.7 % of the time they ARE just doing their job. I think it's important that liberals understand there have to be rules, and they have to apply to EVERYBODY.

Of course there are 'bad' cops out there. But they're a very small minority. And we've seen in the past several months just how much $h!t the good ones have to eat as a result.
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Old 09-27-2020, 01:18 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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If it is one or two cops causing the problem, take names, take videos, expose them.

If it is the political powers, or a lot of cops in your area, then you have to realize that tolerance of criminals attracts criminals, criminal activity attracts more criminals, and it is a vicious cycle.

In that case, the answer is location.
As in move.
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Old 09-27-2020, 03:23 AM
 
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Who do you think they are taking their orders from???
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Old 09-27-2020, 03:32 AM
 
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People who willfully violate mask/social distancing orders should be arrested. Christianity has nothing to do with it. If they were Christian, they would be following the orders. The police are correct to arrest them, just as any other individual who breaks the law. And when the police do act wrongfully, they should also be held responsible.
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Old 09-27-2020, 03:34 AM
 
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People who willfully violate mask/social distancing orders should be arrested. Christianity has nothing to do with it. If they were Christian, they would be following the orders. The police are correct to arrest them, just as any other individual who breaks the law. And when the police do act wrongfully, they should also be held responsible.
And yet they are told to stand down when it comes to rioters and looters. I mean seriously, who’s the bigger threat here?
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