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Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's senior official for infectious diseases, predicts the United States could begin to achieve early stages of herd immunity against the deadly coronavirus by late spring or summer. And if that happens, Fauci anticipates, "we could really turn this thing around" toward the end of 2021.
Compared to influenza viruses, coronaviruses are more stable and less likely to evolve in response to pre-existing immunity. As a result, many experts argue, safe and effective vaccines remain the best chance for escaping the maze of Covid-19 infection. Regular boosters may be necessary as the virus cycles, not because the virus is rapidly evolving, but because human immunity may wane.
Such an outcome would mark the end of this current pandemic. Yet even then, experts believe, some version of the virus will continue to circulate, perhaps as a common cold virus or an occasional deadly outbreak among the unvaccinated, for many years, if not forever.
Pfttt. there are NO EXPERTS with a new virus thats only been around less than a year. Good lord. Whats with people's brain functioning these days? We're you an "expert" in anything in less than a year?
Such is my understanding too. However, the point is: we are rapidly running out of hospital beds to treat COVID 19 patients, much less those suffering heart attacks, strokes, car accidents, etc.
No, we are not running out of hospital beds to treat people who have contracted the Wuhan virus. That is flatly false. Either you just made that up, or someone else you listen to just made that up and you are thoughtlessly repeating it.
Any proof that herd immunity does not exist with this virus?
If it does not exist, it is because individual immunity does not exist. If that is the case - and there is no legitimate scientific basis for thinking that it is - then no vaccine is going to work and there is nothing we can do to help ourselves except lock-down permanently and never come out of our homes again.
Also, if individual immunity did not exist no one would recover. It would be 100% lethal.
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theres more proof it doesn't than it does at this point since people are getting reinfected and mutations continue to make it even more contagious
The number of confirmed reinfections is tiny. People will become immune to new mutated variants just as they did the original ones.
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There is no proof at all, either way, except for the work that has been more generally done with regards to human immunity to viruses, broadly speaking, going back over the last hundred years or so.
And there is no scientific proof that anyone has actually been reinfected.
There have been isolated case reports of reinfections, confirmed by finding viruses from two clinical episodes with RNA sufficiently different to mean two separate infections. Here is one such case.
So what you're saying is that we're stuck with this until the end of time? Basically, mankind will be taken down by a virus?
mankind may be changed forever by global governments reaction to that virus.
Oversimplified, but death is very rare among those under 65 years old without any untreated general co-morbidities, plus those with poor immune systems.
If you are under 50 years old, your chances are nearly nothing of dying - less than 1/2 of 1%. Some will be on here soon enough to wail about "long term effects!11!!!", but those start at an estimated 10% after 3 weeks and decrease as time passes.
In other words, if you've felt badly enough to test positive for COVID, and...
Your child hasn't graduated high school, put them in a full NBA arena (20K people) and 3 of all those children die. A 0.014% chance.
If you're 18-29 years old, go to that NBA arena and 8 of everyone else will die. A 0.04% chance
If you're in your 30's, then 13 of them would die in the arena. A 0.13% chance
Just wonderful. They have this narrative all in place to keep us shut down for years. It's going to be a struggle between conformists and non conformists to see what kind of future society we have. Who will win? Stay tuned.
People will stop putting up with it like the small town of Mosseyrock, WA that passed an ordinance to allow businesses to stay open. Everyone else will hide at home and be too scared to stop them. The great reset is aka "build back better," "the fourth industrial revolution." People need to wake up or become enslaved.
No, we are not running out of hospital beds to treat people who have contracted the Wuhan virus. That is flatly false. Either you just made that up, or someone else you listen to just made that up and you are thoughtlessly repeating it.
California would like to have a word. They've got 2.1% of their ICU beds available, and patients are still pouring in. They're effectively full at this point as that 2.1% means some places are straight up out of capacity.
Wrong. Proof? Link? The article doesn't state that, and I have looked at numerous other UK articles that state the new strain does not prevent the vaccine from being effective. It does not cause more severe disease either. It transmits easier and that's it.
"The genetic changes to the virus’ spike proteins would not reduce the effectiveness of a coronavirus vaccine as most produce a range of antibodies that would make it hard for the virus to evade all at once. The new strain was also found to carry the same spike receptor that most vaccines currently in development have targeted." https://www.ibtimes.com/new-coronavi...accine-3102026
No, we are not running out of hospital beds to treat people who have contracted the Wuhan virus. That is flatly false. Either you just made that up, or someone else you listen to just made that up and you are thoughtlessly repeating it.
In other words, if you've felt badly enough to test positive for COVID, and...
Your child hasn't graduated high school, put them in a full NBA arena (20K people) and 3 of all those children die. A 0.014% chance.
If you're 18-29 years old, go to that NBA arena and 8 of everyone else will die. A 0.04% chance
If you're in your 30's, then 13 of them would die in the arena. A 0.13% chance
In your 40's, then 68 would die. A 0.34% chance
Allowing your numbers for the moment...if 3 kids died at an NBA game, that would be considered a huge tragedy. If 68 people died at an NBA game, it'd be considered a slaughter. There'd be outrage and inquiries. Why is it considered negligible if it's a preventable disease?
Of course, you stop calculating after age 49, because that's when the figures, even the way you're running them, start to look more shocking. About 35% of the US population is over age 50, and it's not like they live in a special colony where they aren't exposed to younger people. All those kids who aren't dying of Covid ARE running around exposing their parents and grandparents, teachers, bus drivers, child care workers, random people in stores, etc. who are 50+.
And COVID isn't going to go away either. It will just continue to mutate regardless of how many vaccines (thats never stopped a coronavirus) are made
Well, besides for pets, there has never BEEN a coronavirus vaccine. Non of the mutations to date have been of the sort to have to change the vaccine we have for covid19.
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