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Old 12-22-2020, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bow...talism-slavery

I agree with Bernie, & the latest member of the AOC socialist squad, Jamal Bowman, when they say the current system "enslaves" the 99%, and is only working well for the Elite top 1%.

Its a newer softer rendition of slavery, but it shares some of the same characteristics as old school slavery.

To a great extent, Trump, Rand Paul, The Tea Party, & myself, are saying something very similar...we are way too heavy at the top with income, wealth, & future opportunity. A barrier has been put into place between the have's & have not's...we call it "the swamp", others call it "the elite's".

We are all working on the right problem...the same problem. Income & wealth gaps that prevent many in the bottom half from saving for their futures, and moving up the social ladder. Even the top 2%-49% are having to struggle harder to stave off the top 1% to maintain their way of life.

Our proposed solutions, differ in this way....

...Bernie, AOC, & the squad feel our free market economy system has failed, & socialism is the answer. They have lost all faith in our system, & our leaders, so they want a re-set.

...Trump, Paul, the Tea Party, & I, feel the original system that America was founded upon was excellent, and got us this far, but Washington DC has been changing it for 200+ years into the convoluted version we have today; that is failing us. It has evolved very poorly into something almost unrecognizeable from where we began in 1776 w/ Declaration of Independence, 1787 with the Constitution, & in 1791 with the Bill of Rights.

I believe the 99% can force a return to the system, as originally crafted. I don't think the people we have in DC today, will ever do it. They must be removed, & replaced...en masse..peacefully.

The 99% needs to flood the zone with new candidates for every political office in DC. The 99% need to vote for their/our own candidates, to get all the incumbants out.
When all of America has just 6 sources that control the media , that is too rich and too powerful. When we have tech companies that are a monopoly we have big problems with too much power and money. They control too much. They can control any narrative they want.


We need more free thinkers. Today the propaganda is up to our eye balls controlling our thoughts. I use common sense to see the cause and effect on the society.



We have hate and division like never before and we have seen a two tiered justice system . The propaganda , the lies, the take over of minds like never before. They gain power with division.



When we see our freedoms being taken through censorship, lies , unjust practices, fraud, and never getting any justice, not even looking for the truth we have a major problem. The poison is all through the media and is getting worse when justice and seeking the truth is not important anymore.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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1. I fail to see other people’s money is somehow your business.

2. Why is 99% is the mark of all evil? That’s just a number.
Yeah, I should just care about myself, since I'm already rich...I got mine, so too bad you don't.

That's not the way I roll. I want everyone to have a fair opportunity to make it big.

Yes, 99% is just a number, does 98% make you feel better.

The net worth of a top 1%'er is $12M. At that level of wealth, you can buy local politicians favors on zoning, contracts, ect.. You can start bending gov't in your favor. That is why I chose that number.

the top 1% just gave $700M to The Sudan, when that money could have been spent much better on our own helping restaurants survive. Or, helping families stay in their homes a little longer.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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OK....once you vote out all the incumbents, then what? What will these new candidates do differently that will benefit the 99%? You want to "..return to the system, as originally crafted." Can you give some specifics?
Not give $700,000,000 to the Sudan tomorrow, & instead, give that money to families struggling to stay in their homes due to job losses, due to Covid-19.

Or, not spend the $700,000,000 at all.

70% of this CARES stimulus does NOT go directly to Americans in need. It goes elsewhere.

I'm not up for increasing our national debt, to give money to others who dont need it as much as Americans and small businesses.

I'm not for giving the money to the Fortune 500 either. They get enough breaks already.

I'm not for bailing out NYC either, or any other city or state.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:38 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Yeah, I should just care about myself, since I'm already rich...I got mine, so too bad you don't.

That's not the way I roll. I want everyone to have a fair opportunity to make it big.

Yes, 99% is just a number, does 98% make you feel better.

The net worth of a top 1%'er is $12M. At that level of wealth, you can buy local politicians favors on zoning, contracts, ect.. You can start bending gov't in your favor. That is why I chose that number.

the top 1% just gave $700M to The Sudan, when that money could have been spent much better on our own helping restaurants survive. Or, helping families stay in their homes a little longer.
It was Congress that gave away the money and that money is all taxpayer money.
Remember....the 1% don't pay taxes ?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:38 PM
 
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Yeah, I should just care about myself, since I'm already rich...I got mine, so too bad you don't.

That's not the way I roll. I want everyone to have a fair opportunity to make it big.

Yes, 99% is just a number, does 98% make you feel better.

The net worth of a top 1%'er is $12M. At that level of wealth, you can buy local politicians favors on zoning, contracts, ect.. You can start bending gov't in your favor. That is why I chose that number.

the top 1% just gave $700M to The Sudan, when that money could have been spent much better on our own helping restaurants survive. Or, helping families stay in their homes a little longer.
The top 1% didn’t give Sudan money. The elected politicians did and none of them is held responsible by the voters.

I fail to see why you get to dictate how other people use their money unless the people are your slaves.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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With capitalism you're always going to have losers & people who suffer because of it. If people stepped up & took care of their neighbor then we wouldn't see the suffering.

With socialism your goal is to remove all the suffering & losers but by trying to make everything equal you remove the incentive to be better. You stay at the status quo & if it was not for capitalism and wanting to be the best or the richest where would we be in life?

I think they are both flawed systems because you're never going to have a society that can care for one another to make capitalism bearable. And with socialism it would never truly work on the large scale. You need trust for that & when you're dealing with so many races, cultures & different types of people you'll never have that trust.

But between the two I feel like capitalism is the lesser of the two evils. Because while people will still be losers & suffer it's not as much as it would be with full time socialism.
Do you guys ever get tired of this. Why does it have to be that "socialist are trying to make everyone equal?"

Why can't it be that the person who's with 5 billion is now with 2 billion?

Why can't it be that companies that pays out 50M in bonuses, only pays out 20M?

Are you telling me 2B is not incentive? That 20M in bonuses is not incentive?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:40 PM
 
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Yeah, I should just care about myself, since I'm already rich...I got mine, so too bad you don't.

That's not the way I roll. I want everyone to have a fair opportunity to make it big.

Yes, 99% is just a number, does 98% make you feel better.

The net worth of a top 1%'er is $12M. At that level of wealth, you can buy local politicians favors on zoning, contracts, ect.. You can start bending gov't in your favor. That is why I chose that number.

the top 1% just gave $700M to The Sudan, when that money could have been spent much better on our own helping restaurants survive. Or, helping families stay in their homes a little longer.
I bet your use every law on the book to avoid paying taxes.

Why? Why don’t you voluntarily pay more taxes than required?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Well then take all the money from the rich and give it to the poor.

Now everyone is poor so what do you plan to do next month for money ?
You are looking at only 1 solution to equalizing the playing field. Taking money away from the rich is the worse possible solution.

Fixing the system future forward, so they cannot continue to accumulating Billions, is where I'm going.

Stop them from buying off our politicians in return to monetary favors. That is what campaign finance laws are all about.

Stop no bid contracts.

Stop lobbying, book deals, foreign aid kickbacks, military contract kickbacks, clean up all the corruption.

Look at Al Gore...got crazy rich helping Apple export our jobs to China. Close that loophole.

No more nepotism in goverment.

End gov't pensions and cadillac healthcare plans moving forward. Stop allowing them to bank vacation time for 30 years, then cash tem in at their highest pay rate rather than the payrate they banked them at.

I could list Hundreds of things like that, to balance the system out.

NONE of it would mean taking money earned & saved away from anyone, my solutions are all future earnings based....not taking away pst earnings and wealth.

Fix the system...take it back to what it was before they twiste it in their favor.

I am 10% against what California is proposing right now...to confiscate wealth from people who move out of Cali for their next 10 years after they leave.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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You are looking at only 1 solution to equalizing the playing field. Taking money away from the rich is the worse possible solution.

Fixing the system future forward, so they cannot continue to accumulating Billions, is where I'm going.

Stop them from buying off our politicians in return to monetary favors. That is what campaign finance laws are all about.

Stop no bid contracts.

Stop lobbying, book deals, foreign aid kickbacks, military contract kickbacks, clean up all the corruption.

Look at Al Gore...got crazy rich helping Apple export our jobs to China. Close that loophole.

No more nepotism in goverment.

End gov't pensions and cadillac healthcare plans moving forward. Stop allowing them to bank vacation time for 30 years, then cash tem in at their highest pay rate rather than the payrate they banked them at.

I could list Hundreds of things like that, to balance the system out.

NONE of it would mean taking money earned & saved away from anyone, my solutions are all future earnings based....not taking away pst earnings and wealth.

Fix the system...take it back to what it was before they twiste it in their favor.
Well the first mistake is that YOU keep voting those corrupt politicians back into office.
Everything you want to get rid of was put into law by Congress.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Homeless...
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I'm think the 99% number quoted is an enormous overstatement. It's not at all impossible to be middle class and have a comfy life. The middle class is no doubt smaller than it used to be, but it's still a thing.
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