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Old 01-19-2021, 02:01 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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So, extremely limited anecdotal evidence.

Meanwhile, Mollie Tibbetts was killed in 2018 by an illegal alien who "appeared" to be an authorized worker because he was using a stolen ID, which E-verify readily admits it cannot detect. And the Dems want to increase the likelihood that tragedies like that and illegal aliens' union-busting will happen. Why on earth are you and other Dem voters on board with that?
The standard Dem answer to this is that American citizens kill people too. Ignoring the fact that simply enforcing our immigration laws may have saved Mollie Tibbett's life, as well as people like her.
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Old 01-19-2021, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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So, extremely limited anecdotal evidence.

Meanwhile, Mollie Tibbetts was killed in 2018 by an illegal alien who "appeared" to be an authorized worker because he was using a stolen ID, which E-verify readily admits it cannot detect. And the Dems want to increase the likelihood that tragedies like that and illegal aliens' union-busting will happen. Why on earth are you and other Dem voters on board with that?
Please quote me completely or not at all.

The evidence is very good. And the Union guys would be all over it if they thought they could show the use of illegal aliens by the residential contractors.

And the credentials of some murderer are irrelevant. Just your attempt to cover your absurd position.

And kindly stop with the misinformation. There is zilch evidence of high illegal aliens among the workers on residential construction.
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Old 01-19-2021, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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The standard Dem answer to this is that American citizens kill people too. Ignoring the fact that simply enforcing our immigration laws may have saved Mollie Tibbett's life, as well as people like her.
Ditto Kate Steinle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kate_Steinle
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Old 01-19-2021, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It is well established that the illegal aliens lower the crime rate where they are located. So removing illegal aliens will in fact increase the crime rates.

And Steinle was adjudicated to be an accident and no crime conviction resulted. The illegal alien was just unlucky.
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Old 01-19-2021, 03:54 PM
 
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It is well established that the illegal aliens lower the crime rate where they are located. So removing illegal aliens will in fact increase the crime rates.

And Steinle was adjudicated to be an accident and no crime conviction resulted. The illegal alien was just unlucky.
IF (capital I, capital F) that is true, removing illegal aliens will still lower the total crime.

If you can lower the total number of crimes, that is more desirable, even if the "rate" is higher.

For example:

A town of 50,000 citizens, with zero illegal aliens, has 50 murders in a year.

This year, they add 50,000 illegal aliens to the town. There is just 1 extra murder this year, bringing up the total to 51 murders.

The crime rate went DOWN, but that is still one extra dead person that wouldn't have been dead if they never let the illegal aliens into the town.

You may say that 50,000 illegal aliens is worth it, but that is only because the 1 extra dead person is not your daughter.
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Old 01-19-2021, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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IF (capital I, capital F) that is true, removing illegal aliens will still lower the total crime.

If you can lower the total number of crimes, that is more desirable, even if the "rate" is higher.

For example:

A town of 50,000 citizens, with zero illegal aliens, has 50 murders in a year.

This year, they add 50,000 illegal aliens to the town. There is just 1 extra murder this year, bringing up the total to 51 murders.

The crime rate went DOWN, but that is still one extra dead person that wouldn't have been dead if they never let the illegal aliens into the town.

You may say that 50,000 illegal aliens is worth it, but that is only because the 1 extra dead person is not your daughter.
The rates determine the likelihood that you or some relative will be a crime victim. So you lower the total number of crimes while increasing the probability that you or some relative will be a victim.


You are decreasing the number of crimes while also decreasing the potential victims even more.
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Old 01-19-2021, 04:26 PM
 
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The rates determine the likelihood that you or some relative will be a crime victim. So you lower the total number of crimes while increasing the probability that you or some relative will be a victim.


You are decreasing the number of crimes while also decreasing the potential victims even more.
Because the probability is based on the population. That is for statistical analysis to compare one city, state, or country with another. But in reality, the probability isn't really higher within the same city in a different time period.

If you add 1,000,000 illegal aliens to Las Vegas, and the murder rate goes up 3 murders per year, even though the murder rate technically went down, your chance of being murdered in Las Vegas is still higher than it was last year.

There are 3 more murderers in Las Vegas, but you are hoping that the illegal aliens will give him more victims to choose from to make you safer.
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Old 01-19-2021, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Because the probability is based on the population. That is for statistical analysis to compare one city, state, or country with another. But in reality, the probability isn't really higher within the same city in a different time period.

If you add 1,000,000 illegal aliens to Las Vegas, and the murder rate goes up 3 murders per year, even though the murder rate technically went down, your chance of being murdered in Las Vegas is still higher than it was last year.

There are 3 more murderers in Las Vegas, but you are hoping that the illegal aliens will give him more victims to choose from to make you safer.
You are not into statistics? It will not prove to be perfect as there will be some tendency for the illegal alien to prey on other illegal aliens. But the increased population will also provide more victims for the non illegal alien perpetrators. Thus the probability that you or a loved one will be a victim goes down. Fact of life.
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Old 01-19-2021, 04:52 PM
 
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You are not into statistics? It will not prove to be perfect as there will be some tendency for the illegal alien to prey on other illegal aliens. But the increased population will also provide more victims for the non illegal alien perpetrators. Thus the probability that you or a loved one will be a victim goes down. Fact of life.
However you want to interpret it, any citizen murdered by an illegal alien is a citizen that wouldn't have been murdered, had we just enforced our immigration laws.
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Old 01-19-2021, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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However you want to interpret it, any citizen murdered by an illegal alien is a citizen that wouldn't have been murdered, had we just enforced our immigration laws.
And if we locked up or deported all the individuals with a high probability of committing murder we could get the rate close to zero.

The problem of course is pretty much the same as with illegal aliens. We have no good way to identify and deal with probable murderers. Same is true of illegal aliens.
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