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My ideal solution to the Israel-Palestinian problem.
Both the Israelis and Palestinians ditch religion, unite, create the secular republic of New Samaria. Publicly guillotine all of the area clerics , Jewish, Muslim and Christian alike. Turn the former houses of worship into something actually useful. Paint graffiti on that useless wall. And build a large, beer garden bar atop the temple mount, selling a collection of alcoholic beverages and pulled pork sandwiches.
Why do evangelicals believe whatever the government wants them too?
Before 1967 the US and Israel did not have the same geopolitical aims.
Before 1967 evangelicals were anti-Semitic and you did not see support for the Israel in the deep south.
The the Government and state department liked how Israel was destroying Arab nationalism and bolstering Islamic radicalism which is around the time evangelicals started preaching support for Israel.
Why are the evangelicals patsies for the government, why do they just happen to support policy that is inline with the USA's geopolitical goals?
Your anti-Jew sentiments are coming through loud and clear. First of all your "evangelicals were anti-Semitic" statement is a pretty broad brush. I can only speak directly to my personal evangelical experience from the late 80's on, but I've never known an evangelical who was openly anti-Semitic. I have met Lutherans and Catholics who are openly anti-Semitic even now. I was raised Catholic and test drove the Lutheran church for a few years until they took a hard left in their doctrine, after which I chose the evangelical route.
I think it's generally accepted that many evangelicals were apolitical until the 70's. Jimmy Carter claiming he was a "born again Christian" won with support from many evangelicals. Even back in 76 I had a bad feeling about Carter and his record as president confirmed my doubts. Carter has aged into a bitter, openly anti-Semitic person, which is sad. When Reagan took office he won the support of many evangelicals. At that point I think it's accurate to say evangelicals became a major voting block for republicans.
I think that Israel destroying Arab nationalism (which always included the destruction of Israel) is a good thing. They didn't "bolster" Islamic radicalism, it was always there but became more violent with each success Israel had against it's enemies, 6 day war, Yom Kippur war, etc..
The U.S government's political goals have been in the past, to shore up democracies that serve in our best interests particularly in terms of national security. It's good to have friends in the right places globally. That changed under Obama's open anti-Semitism, Trump restored it, and Biden, following instructions from his handlers, is dismantling the good relationship we had with Israel under Trump.
Christians have been anti-semitic for hundreds of years based on the death of Jesus.
Jews also promoted usury which Christian people didn't.
Evangelicals did not start supporting Israel state rights or the Jewish people in general until 1967, conveniently when Israel and US geopolitical goals aligned.
All the sudden they moved from ridiculing Jews to targeting Muslims.
What is the point of pretending to believe in something when its just about supporting whatever the government wants.
These "anti-government" people are a joke.
That's not true. In the Christian belief the death of Jesus was suppose to happen and his sacrificial death brought salvation. From that perspective Jews were doing what they were supposed to do at the time.
Long ago in Europe Catholics didn't tolerate anyone not accepting Catholicism, whether you were Jewish or non-Jewish.
On Iranian passports, there is a written caveat saying the porter of this passport is prohibited from traveling to Israel and doing so is punishable by death.
Lol, I have an Iranian passport and I can go to Israel whenever I want.
That's not true. In the Christian belief the death of Jesus was suppose to happen and his sacrificial death brought salvation. From that perspective Jews were doing what they were supposed to do at the time.
Long ago in Europe Catholics didn't tolerate anyone not accepting Catholicism, whether you were Jewish or non-Jewish.
They were anti-semites.
Hitler didn't appear out of no where.
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Your anti-Jew sentiments are coming through loud and clear. First of all your "evangelicals were anti-Semitic" statement is a pretty broad brush. I can only speak directly to my personal evangelical experience from the late 80's on, but I've never known an evangelical who was openly anti-Semitic. I have met Lutherans and Catholics who are openly anti-Semitic even now. I was raised Catholic and test drove the Lutheran church for a few years until they took a hard left in their doctrine, after which I chose the evangelical route.
I think it's generally accepted that many evangelicals were apolitical until the 70's. Jimmy Carter claiming he was a "born again Christian" won with support from many evangelicals. Even back in 76 I had a bad feeling about Carter and his record as president confirmed my doubts. Carter has aged into a bitter, openly anti-Semitic person, which is sad. When Reagan took office he won the support of many evangelicals. At that point I think it's accurate to say evangelicals became a major voting block for republicans.
I think that Israel destroying Arab nationalism (which always included the destruction of Israel) is a good thing. They didn't "bolster" Islamic radicalism, it was always there but became more violent with each success Israel had against it's enemies, 6 day war, Yom Kippur war, etc..
The U.S government's political goals have been in the past, to shore up democracies that serve in our best interests particularly in terms of national security. It's good to have friends in the right places globally. That changed under Obama's open anti-Semitism, Trump restored it, and Biden, following instructions from his handlers, is dismantling the good relationship we had with Israel under Trump.
Israel and the US directly supported radical islam, not democracy.
That's not true. In the Christian belief the death of Jesus was suppose to happen and his sacrificial death brought salvation. From that perspective Jews were doing what they were supposed to do at the time.
Long ago in Europe Catholics didn't tolerate anyone not accepting Catholicism, whether you were Jewish or non-Jewish.
This is only partially true.
The long list of persecution of Jews in Europe, in Christian cultures of different denominations proves differently. ( I am sure that this kind of attitude didn't skip America entirely as well.)
I think only Christians that "got the message" for real, were ascribing the viewpoint that you described above.
That has nothing to do with religion, evangelicals and Christians. It was based in secularism and wasn't representative of most of the population.
I think I just realized why you keep bringing 1967 up. Wasn't that the year Muslim nations tried to take out Israel and were almost miraculously defeated by Israel in 6 days of warfare? And American Protestants are also to blame for the defeat. Maybe we should've came to the aid of Muslims right?
England banished the jews from their kingdom in 1100.
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