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No. I am arguing that it is good to have more parents that pay enough in taxes to educate their kids, than it is to have more parents that don't pay enough in taxes to educate their kids.
If you flood the country will low wage workers who cost more than they pay, that is bad economics.
Also, they keep wages lower for low wage earning citizens. You cant complain about the growing income gap, and be for importing poverty at the same time. Which seems to be what a lot of democrats are doing these days.
But again, dont let this one issue deflect from all of the other expenditures I mentioned.
But as I said, those parents' educations have already been paid for. We get some educated people (even if it's only, say, the equivalent of a 10th grade education) without having paid a dime for their education. That makes up for whatever extra we might have to pay for their kids.
Back in 1850-1920 we flooded the country with low wages workers who cost more than they pay.
If there was any question immigrants can also play the "I got mine, the rest of you can drown" game, it appears to have been answered.
Not at all. There is nothing wrong with raising the bar.
For example where I live I had to show that I am financially capable of supporting myself. I have to maintain 25G in a bank in that country 365 days a year. I must also show that I have an income of at least 25G a year. I have to check in every 90 days. The USA should do the same.
The USA takes in a lot of immigrants who later become a burden upon the nation. We are 28 trillion in debt. We simply cant afford it.
But as I said, those parents' educations have already been paid for. We get some educated people (even if it's only, say, the equivalent of a 10th grade education) without having paid a dime for their education. That makes up for whatever extra we might have to pay for their kids.
Back in 1850-1920 we flooded the country with low wages workers who cost more than they pay.
Been there, done that.
NO it does not. The children of said immigrant ts will require remedial courses in English and at least reading. Our schools are paid for by property taxes. Those immigrants living 2 or 3 families in a single family dwelling absolutely are a burden.
More to the point we have no need for them. We need a better quality of immigrant.
Not at all. There is nothing wrong with raising the bar.
For example where I live I had to show that I am financially capable of supporting myself. I have to maintain 25G in a bank in that country 365 days a year. I must also show that I have an income of at least 25G a year. I have to check in every 90 days. The USA should do the same.
The USA takes in a lot of immigrants who later become a burden upon the nation. We are 28 trillion in debt. We simply cant afford it.
Wow, thats a pretty light burden. How long can you do it for? (IE is there time restrictions)
How does importing millions of uneducated, illiterate, unemployed people who do not speak English to the US make us a "better country"?
If these individuals are the key to a nation's prosperity, why does Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua not have a higher standard of living and greater GDP per capita than the US?
What are the chances of such people gaining employment in an economy that increasingly demands higher levels of technical education and degrees for employment?
Why are walls and fences required to "protect" our Capitol Building, but not the border?
Americans don't want to work menial jobs. They want to be educated and make money. And this is the problem. This is going to sound awful but we need people to work our farms and do the grunt work that Americans don't want to do. We go to the outer banks every summer. Businesses there hire H2b workers because no American wants these jobs, even high school and college kids don't want them. Do you know anyone who wants to clean houses for a living. This is why they make us a better country.
Americans don't want to work menial jobs. They want to be educated and make money. And this is the problem. This is going to sound awful but we need people to work our farms and do the grunt work that Americans don't want to do. We go to the outer banks every summer. Businesses there hire H2b workers because no American wants these jobs, even high school and college kids don't want them. Do you know anyone who wants to clean houses for a living. This is why they make us a better country.
LMAO! Americans don't mind working. We don't build the best economy in history by being lazy. What we don't want is for poor foreigners come down to lower our wages and bring unlimited social problems that translates into more taxes and then to add salt to injury put up with the insults by them and the elites in our country that we are racists and lazy if we complain.
We want to bring up the standards and raise pay not lower it. There is a reason why no other country in the world will do it.
I don't mind as a young worker cleaning houses. You have to start somewhere to learn skills so you can add to your resume and offer something to the market but I can't compete with foreigners who can't speak the language but will do it for cheap. I will lose that bid all the time.
That is not why the U.S. produced the best economy in history. If it was all other countries would copy our immigration system but they don't.
Yes, that is a major reason why the US produced the best economy in history. It was all those immigrants 100-150 years ago that powered a lot of US factories. For example, Ford in the early 1900's employed large numbers of immigrants:
By 1914, foreign-born workers, and especially southern and eastern European workers, represented the majority of the 14,000 workers in the Highland Park factory. The industrial journalist O. J. Abell wrote: “Three quarters of the [Ford] employees are of foreign birth, a large number of them non-English-speaking and of the grade ordinarily fitted for common labor.” The social composition of the Ford shops now contained many different national groups. Aside from American-born workers (29%), many were the sons of immigrants; the five largest were now Poles (21%), Russians (16%), Romanians (6%), Italians and Sicilians (5%) and Austro-Hungarians (5%). In fact, slightly over half of the Ford workforce came from the least industrialized nations of Europe and lacked the work skills and work discipline for a modern industrial society.
In the late 1800's, the US textile industry overtook the British textile industry in large part because of large numbers of immigrants, particularly in places like the Lower East Side and Garment District in NYC, which employed huge numbers of Jewish immigrants.
But as I said, those parents' educations have already been paid for. We get some educated people (even if it's only, say, the equivalent of a 10th grade education) without having paid a dime for their education. That makes up for whatever extra we might have to pay for their kids.
Back in 1850-1920 we flooded the country with low wages workers who cost more than they pay.
Been there, done that.
That is not true. That is the difference. In 1900, there were 1 room schoolhouses where children of various ages were taught by 1 teacher. On top of that, the vast majority didn't make it past elementary school, so the cost was not long term. Only something like 10% of students attended high school. There was nothing progressive about taxation back then, so I have no doubt the poor immigrants of that time period paid enough in taxes to fund their own children's education, which required very minimal funding at the time.
Apples and oranges to today, where in my state, some of the poorest school districts pay over $30k per student per year.
And again, I listed a bunch of costs, besides education, that the tax paying citizens were not on the hook for back then. How do you address these?
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