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Old 04-20-2021, 09:59 AM
 
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And was that pulseless person thrashing around?
You do realize that Floyd was not thrashing around for the entire time that he was being restrained, right?

Chauvin continued to keep his knee to Floyds neck for 4 minutes after he was no longer responsive and for 3 minutes after he was informed that there was no pulse. One can go from living and "thrashing around" to dead within that time frame.

I suggest you watch the videos. There is a clear picture of Floyd going from being alive to being dead.

 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:00 AM
 
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And was that pulseless person thrashing around?

Chances are, that person was a pretty girl he was looking for all his life to perform mouth to mouth resuscitation and chest compression.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:00 AM
 
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That analogy is ridiculous! Just saying.

The water pump (heart) would get water from the (vena cava).

If you want to talk about what powers the water pump then you can compare the source of power (electric lines) to the coronary arteries.
So what makes a heart work is the right coronary artery and the left anterior descending coronary artery. And if those are blocked 75+ percent someone may have a fatal heart issue?
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:03 AM
 
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Chances are, that person was a pretty girl he was looking for all his life to perform mouth to mouth resuscitation and chest compression.
HE is a she, and the person was a 60 year old male. So yeah.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:04 AM
 
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You are talking about an ideal juror which is neither you nor me nor any of those sitting in for the Chauvin trial.

An ideal juror is a perfect individual much like a programmed decision making computer processing the situation reconstructed using all the evidence. Perhaps, this is what we should be doing instead of using 12 imperfect people. Run the prosecution case through the computer programmed in accordance with presumed innocence criteria and see if it can crack the defense. It will be like cracking a safe. If the safe can be opened, Chauvin goes to jail.


What do you say?
Personally, I like the idea you expressed here better:

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A jack of all trades is a master of none. It's better to have a medic ride along with a police officer if we are concerned about protecting lives of lawbreakers.
& I'm not in favor of your other idea re: computerized jurors & the 'cracking the safe' analogy. Besides, all people are imperfect, all people make mistakes, & all people deserve a fair trial.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:07 AM
 
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So when do you think the verdict will be in and what do you think it will be?
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:07 AM
 
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Chauvin had to have felt the sudden loss of muscle tone throughout Floyd's body. That and being told Floyd had no pulse should have made it obvious that Floyd needed CPR.

The dramatic loss of muscle tone at death is quite notable. Chauvin, having 26 years on the force, most certainly had experience with dead bodies that have no muscle tone.

Chauvin wasn't in an emergency room dealing with a patient. He was a white cop in the street subduing a black felon in the midst of a hostile crowd and running the risk of assassination in the current cop-hating, defund the police environment.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:08 AM
 
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You do realize that Floyd was not thrashing around for the entire time that he was being restrained, right?

Chauvin continued to keep his knee to Floyds neck for 4 minutes after he was no longer responsive and for 3 minutes after he was informed that there was no pulse. One can go from living and "thrashing around" to dead within that time frame.

I suggest you watch the videos. There is a clear picture of Floyd going from being alive to being dead.

His knee was on the back, Floyd was a violent felon, crowd was becoming agitated, police aren't medical professionals, there was testimony that people can fake being short of breath and then fight again, Floyd was screaming at the top of his lungs he "caint breeve" despite the fact he clearly was . There's just too much proof that this dude could breathe and wouldn't stop fighting.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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Chauvin wasn't in an emergency room dealing with a patient. He was a white cop in the street subduing a black felon in the midst of a hostile crowd and running the risk of assassination in the current cop-hating, defund the police environment.

I don't think their skin color even needs to be brought up. Scumbag felon high on meth and fentanyl vs reasonable cops with a crowd of lunatics around them.

Last edited by Robertfchew; 04-20-2021 at 10:13 AM.. Reason: another typo
 
Old 04-20-2021, 10:18 AM
 
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Personally, I like the idea you expressed here better:



& I'm not in favor of your other idea re: computerized jurors & the 'cracking the safe' analogy. Besides, all people are imperfect, all people make mistakes, & all people deserve a fair trial.

Would a fair trial include a sequestered jury during the biggest most politicized trial in 25+ years and with politicians taking to the media saying we better convict this guy or else.
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