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The reason he was having trouble breathing was because he was having a heart attack due to the overdose of Fentanyl and the meth he was on. It wasn't due to chest compression.
Your statement doesn't match the medical examiner's. And what they did choose to do was not the policy of the police department, or wise in any way. Three minutes with a knee on the neck of someone who has stopped moving, after another police officer tells you that he can't find a pulse.
The family hired a forensic pathologist to perform a 2nd autopsy. I haven't found a copy of that autopsy, but here are a few news reports about it:
"On Monday, June 1, the family released the findings, which noted Floyd’s killing was "caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.”
"The report notes that weight, positioning, and even the handcuffs Floyd was wearing were all contributing factors that prevented his diaphragm from functioning properly, leading to his death, according to ABC News."
“He was in good health. The compressive pressure of the neck and back are not seen at autopsy because the pressure has been released by the time the body comes to the medical examiner's office.”
Floyd also had heart disease, hypertension and sickle cell trait — a mostly asymptomatic form of the more serious sickle cell disease
Yes, the autopsy indicated that those health issues did not contribute to his death. But a person with hypertension and heart disease is not someone in “good health”.
They are not miracle workers, unless the cop had NARCAN or something similar, there was little they could do besides wait for paramedics to arrive.
The reason he was having trouble breathing was because he was having a heart attack due to the overdose of Fentanyl and the meth he was on. It wasn't due to chest compression.
1. False. The police officer could have initialed BLS or let bystanders attempt BLS until the medics arrived. Chauvin actively prevented that.
2. False. Do you have blood work, echocardiographic, or electrocardiographic evidence to prove he suffered a “heart attack” prior to the restraint? The medical examiner’s report did not report myocardial infarction. The medical examiner’s report stated Floyd suffered cardiopulmonary arrest (his heart and his lungs stopped) complicated by police restraint and neck compression. All your organs stop eventually when deprived of oxygen. Compressive asphyxiation is real. There is video evidence of it here: Chauvin was the one compressing, and he prevented BLS from occurring after the victim became unconscious, and pulseless.
I will give you Dr. Andrew Baker's (AB) deduction as on record at the Hennepin County Attorney's Office.
"AB reiterated that his findings are preliminary and that he has not issued final report. He opined the ultimate cause of death may prove to be multifactorial diagnosis. Based on what AB knows so far, the three factors in that diagnosis could be (1) coronary artery disease, (2) any stimulants potentially in Mr. Floyd’s system causing his heart to work harder, and (3) the exertion caused by Mr. Floyd’s encounter with the police officers. This would depend on the quality and intensity of the encounter.
AB walked us down the list of substances for which NMS labs tested. Those values he highlighted were:
4ANPP precursor and metabolite offentanyl present in Mr. Floyd’s blood.
Methamphetamine 19 ng/ML which he described as “very near the low end” and “a stimulant hard on the heart.”
Fentanyl 11. He said, “that’s pretty high.” This level of fentanyl can cause pulmonary edema. Mr. Floyd’s lungs were 2-3x their normal weight at autopsy. That is fatal level offentanyl under normal circumstances.
Norfentanyl —- 5.6 metabolite of fentanyl.
AB said that if Mr Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death."
The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation. Mr. Floyd did not exhibit signs of petechiae, damage to his airways or thyroid, brain bleeding, bone injuries, or internal bruising.
It’s worth noting the autopsy report does not specify positional asphyxia.
The video timeframe revealed George Floyd was not placed in the ‘recovery position’ in time to prevent his death. Criminal neglect denotes action or failure to act.
1. False. The police officer could have initialed BLS or let bystanders attempt BLS until the medics arrived. Chauvin actively prevented that.
2. False. Do you have blood work, echocardiographic, or electrocardiographic evidence to prove he suffered a “heart attack” prior to the restraint? The medical examiner’s report did not report myocardial infarction. The medical examiner’s report stated Floyd suffered cardiopulmonary arrest (his heart and his lungs stopped) complicated by police restraint and neck compression. All your organs stop eventually when deprived of oxygen. Compressive asphyxiation is real. There is video evidence of it here: Chauvin was the one compressing, and he prevented BLS from occurring after the victim became unconscious, and pulseless.
You’re welcome.
We all die when our hearts & lungs stop, the immediate cause of death is cardiac arrest. Sometimes there are underlying illnesses/conditions diagnosed prior to death. Sometimes the cardiac arrest is due to or as a consequence of various factors.
Maybe if George Floyd had been home spending quality time with one of his children, instead of trying to
steal using a counterfeit bill, he would be alive today.
What $20 bill? Have you seen it? Has anyone seen it? You realize, right, that this alleged counterfeit bill doesn't even exist... right? The store clerk and manager said there was a bill that looked like it might not be real, but they apparently didn't show it to anyone else, and it was never introduced into evidence. The $20 bill that started this whole thing literally does not even exist except as hearsay.
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So, something else killed him. Tops on the list of possibilites was obviously the usually-fatal dose of Fentanyl he had in his bloodstream.
Anybody have any other possibility?
You mean other than the official cause of death found in both autopsies?
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I am sure you have vast experience but let's focus only on that pertinent to medical examination of subjects who are dead on arrival in an emergency room of a hospital after encounter with the police. Do you have any?
An anesthesiologist helps ensure the safety of patients undergoing surgery. You might as well be a dentist in this regard. Just because you have studied medicine doesn't give you expertise in every aspect of the practice of that profession.
Says the guy who repeatedly supports his arguments by citing Clint Eastwood movies and WWE wrestling as his only evidence...
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Your comments are unkind. Everyone posting about the case should be allowed their own opinion, without negative remarks like yours.
Yes, everyone has the right to express an opinion... but that doesn't mean they have the right to complain when better-informed people point out out that those opinions are inane, ignorant, and completely refuted by factual evidence. If someone wants to make an argument that is weak and unsupported, and other people expose that argument as being weak and unsupported, that's tough cookies. Welcome to adulthood.
Why is it that conservatives constantly demand the right to say stupid, uninformed things, and then throw a fit when people call them on their bull****?
Yes, the autopsy indicated that those health issues did not contribute to his death. But a person with hypertension and heart disease is not someone in “good health”.
You missed the point. The ME autopsy report found all sorts of things wrong with Floyd's health. According to the autopsy arranged by the Floyd family, Floyd was in good health.
It’s worth noting the autopsy report does not specify positional asphyxia.
The video timeframe revealed George Floyd was not placed in the ‘recovery position’ in time to prevent his death. Criminal neglect denotes action or failure to act.
Positional asphyxia. So, you are another expert strutting your stuff. No position can prevent your death if you pursue the career of George Floyd.
We all die when our hearts & lungs stop, the immediate cause of death is cardiac arrest. Sometimes there are underlying illnesses/conditions diagnosed prior to death. Sometimes the cardiac arrest is due to or as a consequence of various factors.
Indeed. In this case, compressive asphyxia, stress from excessive use of force by Chauvin, and refusal to provide the victim with immediate medical attention when the detained victim is under Chauvin’s custody all contributed to cardiopulmonary arrest. He kneeled on the victim for so long after the victim was unconscious and pulseless, denying the victim any sort of immediate aid, that he ensured Floyd would remain in cardiopulmonary arrest. The presence of drugs in the blood work may or may not have contributed, but it is irrelevant.
The jury was given, and will be given again, instructions regarding each of the counts. Chauvin’s actions do not need to be the only factor that led to the victim’s death for him to have criminal liability. Jury members understand that folks with 70-80% blocked coronary arteries get stents or surgeries to help their hearts. They don’t die under the knee of a violent cop who acted against department policy and who actively prevented aid from being administered on scene.
It’s worth noting the autopsy report does not specify positional asphyxia.
The video timeframe revealed George Floyd was not placed in the ‘recovery position’ in time to prevent his death. Criminal neglect denotes action or failure to act.
The autopsy report doesn't mention asphyxia at all.
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