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Old 04-06-2021, 12:17 PM
 
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The pilots of aircraft are taught “crew resource management (CRM)”. Junior pilots are taught to speak up if they see the senior pilot making a mistake, and senior pilots are taught to listen to the junior pilots. This has improved safety.

Are cops given equivalent training?

This is such progressive nonsense. There is always this need to create doubt in the chain of command, to question authority, and to destroy accepted tradition.

 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:23 PM
 
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Indeed. In this case, compressive asphyxia, stress from excessive use of force by Chauvin, and refusal to provide the victim with immediate medical attention when the detained victim is under Chauvin’s custody all contributed to cardiopulmonary arrest. He kneeled on the victim for so long after the victim was unconscious and pulseless, denying the victim any sort of immediate aid, that he ensured Floyd would remain in cardiopulmonary arrest. The presence of drugs in the blood work may or may not have contributed, but it is irrelevant.

The jury was given, and will be given again, instructions regarding each of the counts. Chauvin’s actions do not need to be the only factor that led to the victim’s death for him to have criminal liability. Jury members understand that folks with 70-80% blocked coronary arteries get stents or surgeries to help their hearts. They don’t die under the knee of a violent cop who acted against department policy and who actively prevented aid from being administered on scene.

Anyone who needs stents for their arteries should not be getting high on drugs and committing crimes to invite high stress situations. God help those who help themselves or the Devil will.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:23 PM
 
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The autopsy report doesn't mention asphyxia at all.
That’s the point; & is also why a trial is held when one is charged with a crime. An autopsy report doesn’t nullify the requirement to have a trial.

Here is the report that was previously quoted:

https://mncourts.gov/getattachment/M...spx?lang=en-US
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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Yes, the autopsy indicated that those health issues did not contribute to his death. But a person with hypertension and heart disease is not someone in “good health”.
He was also high on fentanyl, which an officer successfully guessed on video as a contributing factor to paranoia, hallucinations, and resisting arrest.


See, normal folks don't resist arrest. They just take it, make bail, and live to see another day. GF was not normal, he was high.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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This is such progressive nonsense. There is always this need to create doubt in the chain of command, to question authority, and to destroy accepted tradition.
Your ignorance (of Korean Air Flight 801) is deeply unfortunate.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:30 PM
 
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Anyone who needs stents for their arteries should not be getting high on drugs and committing crimes to invite high stress situations. God help those who help themselves or the Devil will.
If Chauvin hadn’t actively denied Floyd medical attention and basic aid at the scene, when Floyd was under his custody, Floyd very well could be getting a stent and going to substance rehab now. But I guess we’ll never know. Chauvin made SURE we would never know.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:34 PM
 
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609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or ...
The legal question for the jury to decide in the above charge is:

Did Derek Michael Chauvin cause the death of George Floyd by his culpable negligence, thereby creating an unreasonable risk and taking a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to George Floyd?
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:36 PM
 
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Well, the defense attorney won his case today. He didn't just instill a "reasonable doubt", which is all the defense really needs to do. He used the witnesses to established that kneeling on Floyd as Chauvin did, could not have killed Floyd... according to the witnesses' very own testimony.

Chauvin will walk. And within days or even hours of the judge announcing a verdict of "Not guilty" and banging the gavel, Minneapolis will burn. Along with whatever other cities the riot organizers have been able to get to, accumulate enough gasoline bottles, bus in enough "protesters" etc. It won't be long before we wish we had the Summer of 2020 back, it being much more benign and peaceful than what the rioter, and riot organizers, will do in the Summer of 2021.

Last edited by lucyinthesky444; 04-06-2021 at 01:09 PM..
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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That’s the point; & is also why a trial is held when one is charged with a crime. An autopsy report doesn’t nullify the requirement to have a trial.

Here is the report that was previously quoted:

https://mncourts.gov/getattachment/M...spx?lang=en-US
I don't know why you bolded the word positionalwhen you wrote this:

"It’s worth noting the autopsy report does not specify positional asphyxia."

I thought you were implying the autopsy report mentioned a diffferent kind of asphyxia. Bad on me.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 12:38 PM
 
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The legal question for the jury to decide in the above charge is:

Did Derek Michael Chauvin cause the death of George Floyd by his culpable negligence, thereby creating an unreasonable risk and taking a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to George Floyd?
Thank you for educating the people here, many of whom appear to have zero clue about the question posed to the jury for each of the counts.
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