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It just doesn't make any sense to me. And then add on we don't know the long term effects... seems that the benefits do not outweigh the negative factors for anyone who is under 60 and looking at it with logic and reason.
To be fair, we also dont know the long term effects that having COVID will have on the body either. SO either way, we all are taking a risk. That said, I am 100% behind everyone taking whatever risk they feel is right for them.
To be fair, we also dont know the long term effects that having COVID will have on the body either. SO either way, we all are taking a risk. That said, I am 100% behind everyone taking whatever risk they feel is right for them.
True but we also do have more information. Generally around corona viruses and 1 year of data. So we have some hints about if it could be dangerous. So far, imho it isn't. Every time a study comes out that says "this long term effect could be happening" a study comes out debunking it. Just this week a study came out stating covid does NOT have long term effects not he heart. Good luck finding that in MSM.
By all means do. And while you're at, explain the definition of anti-vaxxers and how you ascertain who fits that definition so we can ensure they fit your silly stereotype.
Are you trying to deny the existence of this very organized and villainous movement and coordinated operation that is sweeping our nation? Tsk tsk tsk.
Tragically there is growing anti-vax aggression meant to stop the progress of our medical marvels/vaccines. The forces of those who seek to undermine our nation's efforts--- to control this virus and the disease, death & suffering it causes---are growing and are deliberate and mendacious. We see it day by day on this forum as science and data and facts are stomped on and buried by lies and propaganda and conspiracy theories.
Decades of health disinformation promoted by the anti-vax community, the anti-science folks & our nation's political adversaries have sown wide confusion, hurt major public health institutions, and their esteemed experts, and have encouraged the spread of deadly illnesses. We are now witnessing an escalated & concerted anti-vaccination campaign in our country to do harm and undermine the solutions that benefit humanity in this pandemic. It is worsening by the day and it is cruel and wrong. We all know we are seeing it on this thread.
The posters in this movement seek to sabotage our public health and are conducting warfare on our scientists and science with nonsense and deception. They are on a crusade to actively stop people from obtaining help and health with distorted science and references to phony publications and fringe "studies" by debunked discredited charlatans.
This is nefarious and it is feverishly ramping up. This is tragic. This movement's gibberish amounts to influencing mankind from escaping and ending the pandemic.
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The United States hosts the world’s largest and best-organized anti-vaccine groups. According to the London-based Center for Countering Digital Hate, these are influential groups, not a spontaneous grass-roots movement. Many far-right extremist groups that spread false information about last year’s US presidential election are doing the same about vaccines.
A dozen anti-vaccine accounts are responsible for 65% of disinformation shared online, new report finds
s://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-disinformation-social-media-center-for-countering-digital-hate-report/
Facebook is finally cracking down hard on anti-vaccine content. It is facing an uphill battle.
The anti-vaccination communities have flourished on the platform and are fueling Covid-19 vaccine mistrust. https://www.vox.com/recode/22319681/...gram-spreading
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True but we also do have more information. Generally around corona viruses and 1 year of data. So we have some hints about if it could be dangerous. So far, imho it isn't. Every time a study comes out that says "this long term effect could be happening" a study comes out debunking it. Just this week a study came out stating covid does NOT have long term effects not he heart. Good luck finding that in MSM.
The immediate effects of the coronavirus do not make it dangerous?
How about the people who have had heart attacks, strokes, amputations, and lung transplants due to COVID-19?
I think you are focusing on a tree here and there and totally ignoring the forest.
Something does not add up here. The American public will believe anything and everything.
For weeks they seem to cheerlead on the vaccine, while downplaying legitimate questions and ignoring it. There is very little transperancy and the numbers don't look good.
If it's so effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths, why is the rate similar to before the vaccine.
I know I have been vaccinated twice and had severe, severe body aches plus had fever, stomach aches and sore arm.
It seems like there is a tremendous amount of break-through cases. They claim that is expected but the reports only have a sampling of states.
I was surprised that the hospitalization rate was 9% for those who had the vaccine who tested positive, I know there were some states that had hospitalization rates much lower than that before the vaccine
The case fatality rate is 1.4%, which is slightly lower than the 1.8% but that 1.8% includes last Spring.
Supposedly, they say that this happens because of existing anti-bodies from before.
9% of those who have had vaccine who caught COVID-19 were hospitalized
The report is incomplete and does not include all states.
The 20% is nullified, once the 5% of actual Kung Flu 1984 deaths, from the massive total they lied about.
The 20% was tallied before the CDC changed the testing numbers and then before they have now admitted only 5% of the total number given are actual Kung Flu 1984 deaths.
With that, there is no benefit to the experimental untested VAX.
This is nefarious and it is feverishly ramping up. This is tragic. This movement's nonsense is an attempt to keep mankind from escaping and ending the pandemic.
Now that is some tinfoil right there.
- Fact, these vaccines are experimental and no one knows the long term effects.
- Fact, the death rate from Covid is less than 1%.. mostly above 60 and over weight.
- Fact, the experimental vaccine does not work to stop the spread of corona.
- Fact, the experimental vaccine does not keep you safe from hospitalization or death.
- Fact, the experimental vaccine does not allow you to return to normal.. you still need a mask.
- Fact, even with the experimental vaccine the CDC says we will not reach heard immunity.
- Fact, there are many people who cannot get the experimental vaccine due to health issues.
- Fact, there are many people the experimental vaccine will not protect... immunosuppressed.
- Fact, Fauci admits he lies about things to manipulate the people... the people have seen many lies from the medical community... it is the medical community that lies to achieve a purpose.
Are you trying to deny the existence of this very organized and villainous movement and coordinated operation that is sweeping our nation? Tsk tsk tsk.
Sorry, that's not going to work as it doesn't address the posted conversation. I think my posts were more than clear. No need to try and mischaracterize what was said. Take it in the context it was written with no selective editing and feel free to answer for the stereotype imposed and false claims made if you choose.
Original posts and my replies
Originally Posted by lieqiang View Post
No, one cannot conclude from the existence of asymptomatic cases that "we've" been exposed, that is yet another link in the endless chain of false assumptions by you. USA has a mortality rate of about 1.8%, which classifies it as a very serious disease despite your attempts to downplay it.
The anti-vaxxer playbook:
1. This pandemic that has killed 570k Americans in a year is not serious.
2. These vaccines with very high efficacy don't work
3. These vaccines with very good safety record aren't safe
All of these are demonstrably false.
Me:
Nice straw man's all around. Congrats. Perhaps practice what you preach?
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Originally Posted by lieqiang View Post
If you'd like I can provide examples of all, in fact I can provide all three from someone posting in this thread.
Me:
By all means do. And while you're at, explain the definition of anti-vaxxers and how you ascertain who fits that definition so we can ensure they fit your silly stereotype.
The 20% is nullified, once the 5% of actual Kung Flu 1984 deaths, from the massive total they lied about.
The 20% was tallied before the CDC changed the testing numbers and then before they have now admitted only 5% of the total number given are actual Kung Flu 1984 deaths.
With that, there is no benefit to the experimental untested VAX.
As far as I know there is no such thing as Kung Flu 1984. Please direct me to the CDC page about it, as I cannot find one.
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Originally Posted by Arya Stark
Now that is some tinfoil right there.
1 Fact, these vaccines are experimental and no one knows the long term effects.
2 Fact, the death rate from Covid is less than 1%.. mostly above 60 and over weight.
3 Fact, the experimental vaccine does not work to stop the spread of corona.
4 Fact, the experimental vaccine does not keep you safe from hospitalization or death.
5 Fact, the experimental vaccine does not allow you to return to normal.. you still need a mask.
6 Fact, even with the experimental vaccine the CDC says we will not reach heard immunity.
7 Fact, there are many people who cannot get the experimental vaccine due to health issues.
8 Fact, there are many people the experimental vaccine will not protect... immunosuppressed.
9 Fact, Fauci admits he lies about things to manipulate the people... the people have seen many lies from the medical community... it is the medical community that lies to achieve a purpose.
1. The vaccines stopped being experimental when emergency use authorization was issued. Millions of people have been vaccinated. Adverse reactions do not take decades to show up in such large populations.
2. One percent of a large number is a large number, approaching 600,000 in the US. Mostly is not all.
3. The vaccines do stop spread by preventing asymptomatic infection. See link below.
4. The vaccines do prevent hospitalization and death.
"Adjusted estimates of vaccine effectiveness at 7 days or longer after the second dose were 95·3% against SARS-CoV-2 infection, 91·5% against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, 97·0% (96·7–97·2; 32·5 vs 0·8 per 100 000 person-days) against symptomatic COVID-19, 97·2% against COVID-19-related hospitalisation, 97·5% against severe or critical COVID-19-related hospitalisation, and 96·7% against COVID-19-related death. In all age groups, as vaccine coverage increased, the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 outcomes declined."
5. If more people would take the vaccine, mask use could stop. Recommendations for mask use for vaccinated people are being relaxed already.
6. We will not reach herd immunity if too many people refuse the vaccine.
7. People who cannot be vaccinated need the protection of herd immunity, which means everyone without medical contraindications should be vaccinated.
8. People who are immunosuppressed may not be protected by the vaccine and may be killed by the coronavirus. They need the protection of herd immunity, which means everyone without medical contraindications should be vaccinated.
9. The lies are not coming from the medical community. The problem is a lack of science literacy that makes it impossible for some people to understand what the medical community is saying.
Again, we do not know the long term effects of COVID either.
Plus, you have to get covid to be at risk.
Projections are putting as little as 16K cases in the USA by July.
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