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Most every nation on earth has been conquered and it’s original people either killed, pushed out, exploited, or persecuted.
So what exactly is your point? That all invaders should accept being rocketed?
Aren’t the modern day Jewish people descendants of the Canaanites? If so, how can the Jews be invaders of land that really belongs to them?
If Israeli nation/Jews still monetize the Holocaust for their own gain then we can consider that whole era of politics to still be current events. All the other historical conquests and wars are treated with magnanimity.
No more than the Palis can except being evicted from their homes in an open air concentration camp they were forced into by the same people evicting them only to be forced into tighter spaces in an open air concentration camp.
That was in the early 80s. Because Carter let the Russians into Afghanistan, we were forced to deal with shady characters to help get them out, but he always hated America because he was raised in Saudi schools where that was part of the lesson plan. He also hated the USSR because he was afraid they'd build their Middle East position further, and hence the link between the Al Qaeda and the Mujahadeen forces fighing the Soviets.
Carter did not "let" the Soviets into Afghanistan, lol. What was he going to do about it, invade the USSR?
The Soviets were invited by the then leader of Afghanistan, to assist in suppressing the radical Islamic backed rebellion, that was being supported by Pakistan.
The US continued Afghan support, i.e. the Taliban, via Pakistani military assistant long after the Soviets left. It is the reason why the Northern Alliance disliked the US and still do to this day, because the Northern Alliance was the left over of the Soviet backed regime, and they been fighting the Pakistan (US ally, US providing military support to) backed Taliban forever since.
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After the Cold War ended, it was over and we were too naive and happy with the Internet boom to address security threats. The 9/11 Commission documented the remarkable unwillingness of the Clinton admin to go after Bin Laden after Khobar Towers, and then a string of incidents culminating with the USS Cole. The appeasement and incompetence continued under W, with Powell appeasing everyone and the infamous ignoring of the FBI Phoenix Memo.
9/11 occurred, theorized at least, due to intelligence failures brought on by the fallout from Aldrich Ames. The CIA became so paranoid of moles running around, people did not want to speak to each other, work with each other, because being associated with someone who was even suspected of being a mole would put their career in jeopardy as well.
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One area where the US and Israel need to be much stronger though isn't just bombs, but the anti-US, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish education in many Arab and Muslim schools. No point in trying to make peace with people who've been taught to hate. I don't want to hear that it's not our business, it's a national security threat, and needs to be confronted. These are societies that are anywhere from 50% to 70% inbred and as we learned in Iraq, a few bombs and a new leader don't change much. It's all in the schools.
The US supports much of this, including the blood of our troops.
Calling someone else a racist while going on a racist supremacist tirade themselves.
Nearly 50% of Palestinians are inbred, as are quite a few Orthodox Jews. But you're the weak lowlife who said Jews try to profit off the holocaust. Not my problem you can't handle the truth.
Nearly 50% of Palestinians are inbred, as are quite a few Orthodox Jews. But you're the weak lowlife who said Jews try to profit off the holocaust. Not my problem you can't handle the truth.
Actually the Jews are quite tightly knit, and a small group. They stayed together far longer than anyone as a small group. Most other minorities blended in, and assimilated into their host state. Before the Jewish takeover, the Palis where just the people who were living there under whatever regime.
The place is likely the most migrated to place on Earth. There have been a number of peoples who have passed through and settled. All leaving their imprint on the local people. I am sure there is no real genetic difference between Palis, and Jordanians, or Syrians before the partitions.
While the Jews on the other have been all over, maintaining the identity, and keeping it small. If the Jews had been pulling in outsiders the whole time; their numbers be higher. The likelihood is Jews being more inbred.
Carter did not "let" the Soviets into Afghanistan, lol. What was he going to do about it, invade the USSR?
Carter and his atrocious Secretary of State Cyrus Vance pursued a policy of detente, aka appeasement, that allowed the Soviets to build up missile defenses, and they only responded after being told by NATO the U.S. response to the Soviet SS missile buildup was insufficient. He also made human rights, not national security, the center of U.S. foreign policy, which allowed the Soviets to prop up far left governments globally, most notably the Sandinistas. The Soviets thought Carter was soft, and took advantage of him after an assassination to march right into Afghanistan.
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The Soviets were invited by the then leader of Afghanistan, to assist in suppressing the radical Islamic backed rebellion, that was being supported by Pakistan.
What??? The Soviets went in after an opposition leader was killed and the Soviets were worried about remaining factions being loyal to the US.. They wanted to preserve the fragile Communist government and were not afraid of the US response under Carter.
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9/11 occurred, theorized at least, due to intelligence failures brought on by the fallout from Aldrich Ames. The CIA became so paranoid of moles running around, people did not want to speak to each other, work with each other, because being associated with someone who was even suspected of being a mole would put their career in jeopardy as well.
9/11 would not have occurred if Clinton had responded to Bin Laden's repeated attacks on US interests and people overseas, and actually taken custody of him when the Sudan offered him up after Khobar Towers. It could have also been prevented if W had taken the Phoenix Memo more seriously while spending most of August 2001 holed up in Crawford. The Ames scandal had little to do with it and government agencies and intelligence workers are always sniping at each other.
That was before Biden stepped in, and enabled the HAMAS-led Palestinians to begin initiating rocket attacks by turning the money spigot back on.
Had Trump remained president, rather than the anti-Israel party taking hold, this would not have happened.
Someone (a liberal) anonymously wrote me that he disagrees, and that it has nothing to do with the president. I will answer him here: yes it, does. Trump was showing the Islamic terrorists that America doesn’t have their back, and certainly wouldn’t be funneling money to Hamas. Biden has shown Islamic terrorists that he is weak, sides against Israel, will never criticize Muslims, and of course is back to buddying up with Iran, an entire terror state.
Nothing new. They have been at war off and on since the late 40s.
This is not accurate. Palestinian Arabs started attacking Palestinian Jews as early as 1920 and then again in 1929 and more riots in 1936-1939. This before the establishment of modern Israel. What was their excuse at the time?
Although it is regretable that Palestinian Arab children in Gaza have been killed, the residents of Gaza must get rid of Hamas (which is backed Iranian money and agenda).
The over 1000 rockets that have been fired at Israeli residents (which have killed among others an Indian caretaker and two Israeli Arab citizens) can't be justified just because there is a dispute over some property in Jerusalem.
Actually the Jews are quite tightly knit, and a small group. They stayed together far longer than anyone as a small group. Most other minorities blended in, and assimilated into their host state. Before the Jewish takeover, the Palis where just the people who were living there under whatever regime.
The place is likely the most migrated to place on Earth. There have been a number of peoples who have passed through and settled. All leaving their imprint on the local people. I am sure there is no real genetic difference between Palis, and Jordanians, or Syrians before the partitions.
While the Jews on the other have been all over, maintaining the identity, and keeping it small. If the Jews had been pulling in outsiders the whole time; their numbers be higher. The likelihood is Jews being more inbred.
Your hostility toward Jews is showing bigtime. No wonder you take such a negative attitude toward Israel.
And what exactly do you mean by Jews haven’t assimilated? Just because we retain our religious traditions, and refrain from pork and shellfish, go to services on High Holidays, and have a Passover Seder? We went to public school with Christian children, had them as friends (and sports competitors), went on to non-sectarian colleges, joined the workforce (with barely any Jews there), socialize with our Christian neighbors, etc. etc.
Do you say the same thing about Muslims? I hear them jabbering away in Arabic at the shopping mall, dressed in full Islamic burkas. Why didn’t they assimilate and speak English in public? I’m positive you don’t hear any Yiddish in the produce aisles! (To the contrary, Yiddish is a lost language as Jewish children of immigrants implored their parents to “speak English!” even at home in their eagerness to assimilate.)
Any thread a liberal starts to condemn Israel (usually with a misleading headline) always devolves into complaining about Jews. ALWAYS.
So far 48 Palestinians killed and 6 Israeli's, watching Israel level a 13 story building how do they get away with this.
The Hamas terrorists started it. They knew they’d get pummeled, but they are happy to have their own people killed in order to get people to hate Israel. And the liberals are falling for it.
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