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What I find amazing is that you believe that there are scores of people who:
desperately want to vote,
don't have the required form of ID, and
can't get the required form of ID
Maybe years ago when all this started, but it has been YEARS.
College IDs were an acceptable form if ID to vote until the Florida GOP just outlawed them in 2021. Why just outlaw College ID when there weren't any problems using College ID before? Students had the College ID with them all the time, it's convenient and secure. The GOP wants to reduce the number of college students which vote so suddenly College ID isn't allowed, after being allowed for a long time. This has been allowed for YEARS.
Some people aren't "desperate" to vote but they will vote if it's easy or safe and they don't have to take time off work or school. If it requires taking a bus off campus and a 2 hour round trip, some college students won't vote. If a student has to ride their bike off campus and cross an 8 lane highway on their bike and risk their life, they might not vote (but they would vote if the polling location was on-campus).
The barriers placed by the GOP became too great for some people, as some people don't want to risk losing a job are get a lower grade in school (by taking time off) just to cast a vote. The GOP knows this and that's why they removed voting sites from college campuses. Not because of Fraud. Rather, they want to reduce the number of college students which cast votes because college students favor Dem candidates.
Yes, some college students have a car or vote by mail. But there will be a certain percentage that don't vote because they cannot use the College ID and that's the only form of ID they have on their person. Or they might not vote because the polling location was moved off campus and the student doesn't have a car and isn't willing to risk their life crossing an 8 lane busy highway on foot to vote.
In close states, reducing Dem votes by 10,000 or 3,000 is enough to flip some elections. Why do you think the Republicans want to outlaw the 24 hour early voting site in Houston? Because some Houston voters vote at night because they work odd hours. And having a 24 hr polling site helps increase turnout. Because it's in Houston, it's more likely to have Dem leaning voters. So the Texas legislature sharpened their pencil and is outlawing 24 hour early voting locations in the state. Houston is the only site in the state which has one. Perhaps the GOP gets 1000 fewer Dem voters on that new law alone. Reduce Dem votes by 20,000 voters via forcing Sunday early voting sites to open no earlier than 1PM. Slice off Dem voters here and there and Rs could flip some elections.
We all know what the Rs are doing. College Id was allowed for a long time and now it's not and the sole reason is because college students favor Dems.
Why don't Democrats care that Americans overwhelmingly support voter ID laws?
Perhaps, because voting is a constitutional right and it doesn't matter what the will of the majority is?
There is always an assumption that getting an ID is an easy thing to do. Its not.
I've told this story before. I will tell it again. My daughter needed a driver's license which would be official ID in my state--good enough to register to vote. Unfortunately, we misplaced her social security card. We could not obtain a driver's license without that. I spent the next six weeks battling with the Social Security Administration to get a duplicate social security card for her. The card finally arrived. We had to make an appointment to go to the DMV to get a driver's license issued. As I recall, it took another two weeks to get that appointment. The license was not issued on the spot. It was mailed to us about a week later. My point is simply this. I have a functioning automobile. I was willing to make time to get these things done. Yet, it still took us about nine weeks to get a driver's license which would have enabled my daughter to register to vote when she turned eighteen. We still had to go through the voter registration process as well. All of the poor in the community do not have the resources that I have. I can easily see someone of modest means without an automobile just giving up because its too difficult for them to do all that.
Frankly, I've paid taxes (lots of them) for the last forty working years of my life. Its beyond frustrating to have go through all that BS just have to register to vote because there is some conservative ninny out there who thinks someone who isn't eligible to vote may sneak out from under a rock and somehow cast a ballot. Prosecutions for voter fraud are very infrequent because voter fraud is very infrequent.
What voter ID laws really are are republican candidate protection laws. They guarantee the election of a certain number of republican candidates in elections. Its why republican voters love them so much.
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Perhaps, because voting is a constitutional right and it doesn't matter what the will of the majority is?
There is always an assumption that getting an ID is an easy thing to do. Its not.
I've told this story before. I will tell it again. My daughter needed a driver's license which would be official ID in my state--good enough to register to vote. Unfortunately, we misplaced her social security card. We could not obtain a driver's license without that. I spent the next six weeks battling with the Social Security Administration to get a duplicate social security card for her. The card finally arrived. We had to make an appointment to go to the DMV to get a driver's license issued. As I recall, it took another two weeks to get that appointment. The license was not issued on the spot. It was mailed to us about a week later. My point is simply this. I have a functioning automobile. I was willing to make time to get these things done. Yet, it still took us about nine weeks to get a driver's license which would have enabled my daughter to register to vote when she turned eighteen. We still had to go through the voter registration process as well. All of the poor in the community do not have the resources that I have. I can easily see someone of modest means without an automobile just giving up because its too difficult for them to do all that.
Frankly, I've paid taxes (lots of them) for the last forty working years of my life. Its beyond frustrating to have go through all that BS just have to register to vote because there is some conservative ninny out there who thinks someone who isn't eligible to vote my sneak out from under a rock and somehow cast a ballot. Prosecutions for voter fraud are very infrequent because voter fraud is very infrequent.
What voter ID laws really are are republican candidate protection laws. They guarantee the election of a certain number of republican candidates in elections. Its why republican voter love them so much.
Perhaps, because voting is a constitutional right and it doesn't matter what the will of the majority is?
There is always an assumption that getting an ID is an easy thing to do. Its not.
I've told this story before. I will tell it again. My daughter needed a driver's license which would be official ID in my state--good enough to register to vote. Unfortunately, we misplaced her social security card. We could not obtain a driver's license without that. I spent the next six weeks battling with the Social Security Administration to get a duplicate social security card for her. The card finally arrived. We had to make an appointment to go to the DMV to get a driver's license issued. As I recall, it took another two weeks to get that appointment. The license was not issued on the spot. It was mailed to us about a week later. My point is simply this. I have a functioning automobile. I was willing to make time to get these things done. Yet, it still took us about nine weeks to get a driver's license which would have enabled my daughter to register to vote when she turned eighteen. We still had to go through the voter registration process as well. All of the poor in the community do not have the resources that I have. I can easily see someone of modest means without an automobile just giving up because its too difficult for them to do all that.
Frankly, I've paid taxes (lots of them) for the last forty working years of my life. Its beyond frustrating to have go through all that BS just have to register to vote because there is some conservative ninny out there who thinks someone who isn't eligible to vote may sneak out from under a rock and somehow cast a ballot. Prosecutions for voter fraud are very infrequent because voter fraud is very infrequent.
What voter ID laws really are are republican candidate protection laws. They guarantee the election of a certain number of republican candidates in elections. Its why republican voters love them so much.
Yes it takes time and effort to get an ID.
Voter ID laws or the threat thereof have been around for ages. Depending on the state, anywhere from 7 to 20 years now. Plenty of time to get in compliance.
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People use the passport as ID to vote.
I'm guessing that people need other forms of ID to get a passport, I know I did. Just a hunch but those other forms of ID just might be good enough to vote as well.
Mostly by older folks who no longer have a driver’s license - because they don’t drive.
You don’t need a driver’s license to renew a passport in good standing. Just a check and the form.
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