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Old 06-18-2021, 02:01 PM
 
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Meet the new normal
Same as the old normal
^^^ This.

The record high for my part of the mountain west last week was set in 1932. But that's not fear-inducing and doesn't sell.

Yes, we have some fires. It happens. In June.

In 1982 I was 8 months pregnant and hired to work mop up on a forest fire near my house. In the middle of May.
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Old 06-18-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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People who think thriple digits is nothing cause we adapt. Should realize these changes in changing LESS-DESIRED patterns in weather fronts and rain patterns WILL have areas now demonized for winters but little in water problems could again be the darling areas despite those demonizing some as Blue costly and Corporate America loves less currently.

A jet-stream more staying north will heat the darling sunbelt to swampy or cinder-dry levels sadly. This decade may tell us if this is a new normal. Living house in air to car to store and office like 6 months of the year is costly too and add calamities .... A PERFECT STORM that can change current migrations.
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Old 06-18-2021, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That is according to the following:a

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/7721768002/

If it does become the new normal, what do you think might be the result both in people moving elsewhere, and what other effects do you foresee, either politically or how that would affect U.S. society?


P.S. In related news, at least four states have ordered evacuations in some areas due to fires -- and it is only mid-June! https://weather.com/en-IN/india/envi...es-western-usa
Once the west heats up every summer as it's doing now, there is no doubt people will be moving elsewhere.

When the daily average temperature hits 100º, as it is expected, I am sure around 3/4 of Southern California will be abandoned in large part.
At 100º, Las Vegas will be as abandoned as Detriot, as will Phoenix. Salt Lake City will be largely abandoned, as will Denver.

Most of the southern Great Plains will become de-populated, along with almost all of the desert Southwest.

It won't be the heat that drives folks out; it will be the lack of water. The only way California could survive the water shortage would be building massive de-salinazation plants along the coast, as many as could be built. Beginning today. The inland southwest all the way to the Great Plains won't have enough water to make life habitable.

That means about 1/3 (or more) of us will leave and re-settle. 100 Million Americans.
They will move to where reliable water is the most abundant and the seasonal temperatures are the most moderate.

Look at a map, and imagine everyone living south of the upper midwest moving northward. That would be the migration pattern. The pattern would concentrate east of the Missouri River, as there's more water eastward.

Right now, there's only one metro I can think of that has enough un-used resources and open urban space to be able to support a very big and sudden influx of migrants.
It couldn't handle the entire migration, of course, but it could become the key hub city for it, much like New York City and Los Angeles once were.

Take a guess.

Hint: There's enough timber in the northwest to burn yearly for at least 30 years. So it isn't anywhere in the northwest.
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Old 06-18-2021, 03:00 PM
 
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Okay, enlighten us, what is earth climate normal temperature and weather supposed to be for California, Arizona, Wisconsin, New York, Florida etc... and when was this pristine era?

I know, sometime in the 1800s, during the Little Ice Age, that is what many of you AGW enthusiasts believe earth normal was, and the planet was supposed to somehow lock those cooler conditions into place and never deviate too much from that, for the rest of time.

We don't need to go back to Little Ice Age temperatures. Somewhere close to zero on this chart is sufficient. In 1950 CO2 was just above 300 ppm (vs 419 today) and back then the ice caps were fine, glaciers normal, reservoirs in the West were full, normal snowfall in the West too.


Chart
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Old 06-18-2021, 03:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Triple digit temps in western U.S. could be the new normal


They say that every time it gets hot in Calif, AZ, NV, etc.

I guess they just love the drama, or something.

So they try to pretend it's news, or unusual, or something that doesn't happen pretty much every summer out here.
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Old 06-18-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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the earth is 70 percent covered in water and the temperature effects global ocean currents...


cold currents run at the bottom and warm at the top


they are affected by the salinity because it changes density..as ice melts it changes the flow pattern


we are familiar with the gulf stream in north America it goes to Europe and gives england warmer winters than lattitude alone would predict
evidence is showing COLDER harsher winters in Europe as these currents have altered already
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Old 06-18-2021, 04:26 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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And we'll see another post in the winter when we get a cold front talking about the "new normal".

Year after year after year....don't people get tired of posting "new norms" ?
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Old 06-18-2021, 04:55 PM
 
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It already is normal lol.
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Old 06-18-2021, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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When the right wingers come on here after a snow storm and bitter cold snap claiming global warming is a hoax, the lefties all remind them that it is "weather" not climate. That door should swing both ways. Until a pattern is established, there is no pattern. It's still just weather.

As for the question, the west is still the best and people will continue to migrate and remain there.
Again you have to be DISHONEST. Nobody says Climate Change is a hoax. Climate changes NATURALLY. Always has, always will.
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Old 06-18-2021, 05:54 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Triple digit temps in western U.S. could be the new normal


They say that every time it gets hot in Calif, AZ, NV, etc.

I guess they just love the drama, or something.

So they try to pretend it's news, or unusual, or something that doesn't happen pretty much every summer out here.
But it is...here's some headline saying that people are fleeing climate change on the coasts.
No one wants to talk about a border crisis but they have no problem talking about a climate crisis.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/opini...Top+Stories%29

...people flee climate change on the coasts....
Is anywhere safe from the climate emergency?
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