House Votes to Purge ALL Confederate Statues From the Capitol (solution, poverty)

[Eyebee Teepee]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

I have to admit, the statues of Rommel made me feel a bit weird when I visited Germany. Oh, wait. There aren't any. Because the Germans aren't idiots and they know the differences between remembering past misdeeds and honoring the perpetrators.

The "muh heritage" crowd hates history being taught. They want to see the plantation, not the slave hovels. They wanted to preserve the statue of "Silent Sam" - heritage! - but it took actual historians to preserve the speech given at the dedication of the statue - a speech with a warm remembrance of the days when you could "horse-whip a negress so her skirts hang in shreds".

and that was the deciding factor for many people.

[LordSquidworth]

Originally Posted by paracord

But wait, why does he keep saying "As a black man" then?

Why does everyone in this thread keep bringing up SLAVERY then? Have you not read it????

Is that just my imagination? Stop being a child for pointing out massive inconsistencies in the book burning mindset?

See;

Originally Posted by paracord

So then you're coming out and saying GW needs to be stripped of his statues and prestige in American history? Finally?

Mostly just see you and your ilk trying to turn the conversation from removing statues of traitors to the constitution to all slave owners; because the south was all about slavery. The reliance on whataboutism is intellectually dishonest and lazy. The conversation here is about Confederate statues. You want it to be about all slave owners.

See;

Originally Posted by paracord

What are your thoughts on what lincoln said? That Whites are naturally the superior race? You seem to be turning a blind eye to things that almost everyone said at the time.

Just more whataboutism.

Try sticking to the subject.

[paracord]

Originally Posted by LordSquidworth

Do you have anything up your sleeve other than whataboutism?

It's not whataboutism. It's illustrating that you book burners have a flawed premise to begin with.

You can't decide what you're mad about. Is it slavery? If so, you're going to be mad for years because everyone had them.

Is it "the confederacy?" If so, they were fighting for the same things the Founders created and you're not mad at them.

All we're asking for is some logical, rational explanation why you've all of a sudden decided to rage against people from 150 years ago but not others who did the same things.

[paracord]

Originally Posted by LordSquidworth

See;



Mostly just see you and your ilk trying to turn the conversation from removing statues of traitors to the constitution to all slave owners; because the south was all about slavery. The reliance on whataboutism is intellectually dishonest and lazy. The conversation here is about Confederate statues. You want it to be about all slave owners.

We just want a logical, consistent premise. See post above.

[LordSquidworth]

Originally Posted by paracord

It's not whataboutism. It's illustrating that you book burners have a flawed premise to begin with.

You can't decide what you're mad about. Is it slavery? If so, you're going to be mad for years because everyone had them.

Is it "the confederacy?" If so, they were fighting for the same things the Founders created and you're not mad at them.

All we're asking for is some logical, rational explanation why you've all of a sudden decided to rage against people from 150 years ago but not others who did the same things.

You don’t want a logical premise because you can’t even follow one.

ALL CONFEDERATES WERE TRAITORS TO THE CONSTITUTION AND DO NOT DESERVE STATUES TO HONOR THEM.

Simple enough for you?

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by paracord

HAHA. I'd be willing to be that 95% of your life you gave them zero thought.

Only recently has your TV told you to be outraged by them and only recently have you discovered how "virtuous" you can sound to your friends when you proudly cry "Tear down these statues!"

So is that the determining factor for you? That the basis for if the statues should be removed is the % of time that we have given the issue thought? Is that how decisions should be made in your mind?

From my view once something is reasonably identified as wrong, it should be fixed regardless of what happened yesterday or 5 years ago.

[Eyebee Teepee]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

It's still a majority. You haven't refuted that a majority of Blacks favor removing Confederate generals.

As for why some people would favor removing Washington? My theory is this. Many people view pre-1965 America from a very grim point of view.

I wasn't attempting to refute that a majority favor it. I'm asking why the % isn't higher.

and for the umpteenth time, I favor removal of Confederate general and officials statues from US government locations.

[paracord]

Originally Posted by LordSquidworth

You don’t want a logical premise because you can’t even follow one.

ALL CONFEDERATES WERE TRAITORS TO THE CONSTITUTION AND DO NOT DESERVE STATUES TO HONOR THEM.

Simple enough for you?

So you don't care about slavery? You're going on record with that, right? You'd better inform the other book burners then.

Your beef is simply that they tried to secede, right?

[LordSquidworth]

Originally Posted by Eyebee Teepee

I wasn't attempting to refute that a majority favor it. I'm asking why the % isn't higher.

and for the umpteenth time, I favor removal of Confederate general and officials statues from US government locations.

If I had to guess it’s people don’t know much about it anymore. I don’t remember school focusing much on the civil war.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by paracord

We just want a logical, consistent premise. See post above.

Did the person we're honoring with a statue add or detract from humanity progressing towards freedom?

Washington, for all his flaws: Added.

Lee, for whatever good traits he might have had: Subtracted.

And yes, that's oversimplified, but for this class, I'm about to break out the crayons.