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So, married couples shouldn't have sex? That's stupid, really stupid. We have friends whose third child was a birth control failure, and their fourth was conceived after a tubal ligation. They chose to have the kids, but should have been able to get an abortion if they so desired since they were poor at the time, and couldn't really afford those kids. Thier families helped out for years.
Thanks for walking right into the hypocrisy quagmire that inflicts every single pro-abortion person I've ever encountered.
1) Every single mother-to-be I've ever known considers her unborn child to be alive. What do you call the life state of a baby? It's either dead or alive.
2) Have you ever known someone who's suffered the tragedy of a miscarriage? Why would they grieve over something that isn't alive? You are one seriously hard-hearted person.
3) Have you ever known someone who's lost an unborn child to trauma (car accident, assault), etc.? Again, they seem pretty upset for something that is nothing but tissue by your definition.
4) I guarantee you that if you lost an unborn child due to a drunk driver you'd want that person prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
And that's the crux of the matter: Pro-abortionists are world class hypocrites. They want to change the definition of "life" to whatever fits their needs at the time - all in some pathetic attempt to shirk the consequences of their own actions. The bottom line is that abortion is barbaric and beyond horrifying. History will judge us harshly.
Well, that covers women who want the child. How about women who don't want the child? Women who were raped? Women who shouldn't be pregnant?
I hope like hell that the SCOTUS has the gumption to overturn Roe. That’s my dream scenario. Been hoping for this for decades.
Greatest possible gift the Democratic Party could ever receive. PUH-LEEZE do it SCOTUS Conservatives. Not to mention that GOP fundraising based on anti abortion efforts; tens of millions of dollars, will be dead and buried. They’ll have nothing else inflammatory enough to rile up the base to get those millions from small evangelical donors without abortion being on the platform.
My fear is that the SCOTUS simply isn’t stupid enough to pull the trigger. They know what’ll happen.
Without going into much detail as to how I feel about Roe v Wade you are overlooking a LOT of other issues other than abortion. As to "inflammatory" issues there's plenty left to create a wide rift politically that conservatives in general will still vote Republican on and small evangelical campaign donors who single issue vote only on abortion are not nearly so numerous as you are giving them credit for.
I don't comment in these Roe v Wade threads but once in a blue moon over the South pole but I can answer this post without getting caught up in the septic quagmire of that issue. There's plenty of stuff to get the conservative base riled up without the abortion issue. The current state of the entire nation due to Democrat policy and shift to the extreme left riles up far more folks than evangelicals and other pulpit pounders. The Independent vote is quite key now more than ever on issues like education, firearms rights, crime and punishment, energy the military, foreign policy and on it goes.
Looking at abortion singly as the only issue drawing support for the Republicans via the religious right is erroneous at best.
Roe v Wade is a subsidiary precedent to Griswald vs Connecticut, the case that established a right to privacy. However, the Constitution never mentions the right to privacy, and the SCOTUS just conjured it up out of nothing. But to really overturn Roe v Wade, the court would have to acknowledge the illegitimacy of Griswald. That would overturn the apple cart to an even greater degree than overturning Roe.
Roe v Wade is a subsidiary precedent to Griswald vs Connecticut, the case that established a right to privacy. However, the Constitution never mentions the right to privacy, and the SCOTUS just conjured it up out of nothing. But to really overturn Roe v Wade, the court would have to acknowledge the illegitimacy of Griswald. That would overturn the apple cart to an even greater degree than overturning Roe.
Ninth Amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
That basically states that not all rights are listed in the Constitution, and that lack of mention doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.
It also doesn't mean the courts should be able whip them up out of nothing, which in the opinion of Griswald they basically admitted they didn. See "emanations and penumbras"
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Ninth Amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
That basically states that not all rights are listed in the Constitution, and that lack of mention doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.
Without going into much detail as to how I feel about Roe v Wade you are overlooking a LOT of other issues other than abortion. As to "inflammatory" issues there's plenty left to create a wide rift politically that conservatives in general will still vote Republican on and small evangelical campaign donors who single issue vote only on abortion are not nearly so numerous as you are giving them credit for.
I don't comment in these Roe v Wade threads but once in a blue moon over the South pole but I can answer this post without getting caught up in the septic quagmire of that issue. There's plenty of stuff to get the conservative base riled up without the abortion issue. The current state of the entire nation due to Democrat policy and shift to the extreme left riles up far more folks than evangelicals and other pulpit pounders. The Independent vote is quite key now more than ever on issues like education, firearms rights, crime and punishment, energy the military, foreign policy and on it goes.
Looking at abortion singly as the only issue drawing support for the Republicans via the religious right is erroneous at best.
I agree with you that abortion isn't a keystone issue for many on the right, although it is for some on the religious right. However, I think desertdetroiter was referencing more the impact overturning Roe could potentially have on those to the left and center. It has the potential to really energize the left and motivate some in the center to lean to the Democrats. I would hope that if SCOTUS overturns Roe and has a well-reasoned opinion based solidly on the Constitution that wouldn't happen. But I think it is inevitable that some would see it as purely political. It will definitely motivate people on the statewide level to try to influence their state legislatures in a way they may feel some complacency about now.
Roe v Wade is a subsidiary precedent to Griswald vs Connecticut, the case that established a right to privacy. However, the Constitution never mentions the right to privacy, and the SCOTUS just conjured it up out of nothing. But to really overturn Roe v Wade, the court would have to acknowledge the illegitimacy of Griswald. That would overturn the apple cart to an even greater degree than overturning Roe.
I'm not understanding how the right to privacy morphed into a right to access a state-regulated medical procedure. No one else has a right to access medical procedures regulated by states. For example, FGM (female genital mutilation). It's state-regulated and no one has a guaranteed legal right to access it.
FGM is illegal in 40 states regardless of anyone's privacy.
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