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Old 11-28-2021, 05:20 PM
 
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Actually, there are laws prohibiting FGM at all in 40 states. Why are adult women also excluded? Because they're not always acting on their own volition in such circumstances.

Furthermore, regarding access to medical procedures, THIS is the correct ruling: In 2018, Judge Bernard A. Friedman from the Eastern District of Michigan Southern Division declared the federal law prohibiting FGM unconstitutional. In United States v. Nagarwala. 17-CR-20274, 2018. Judge Friedman concluded that Congress did not have the power to enact the federal law and that outlawing FGM falls in the proper domain of states. The regulation of abortion, just as it is with FGM, is a states' rights issue.
Are you saying that clitoral piercing of an adult woman at her request is illegal in those 40 states? How about labial piercings?

Roe makes abortion regulation a Federal issue.

 
Old 11-28-2021, 05:22 PM
 
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Up to your state; take it up with them.
So, you want to deny equal protection under the law to women?
 
Old 11-28-2021, 05:22 PM
 
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If the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, then abortion will still be legal, unless states start restricting it individually.

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https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...egiously-wrong

Mississippi asks Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade; says 1973 decision was 'egregiously wrong'

by: Sam Cohen
Posted at 4:16 PM, Jul 22, 2021 and last updated 3:20 PM, Jul 22, 2021

JACKSON, Miss. -- Mississippi's attorney general told the U.S. Supreme Court Thursday its 1973 landmark decision in Roe v. Wade was "egregiously wrong" and should be overturned.

"The conclusion that abortion is a constitutional right has no basis in text, structure, history, or tradition," Fitch said in a newly filed brief.

The challenge before the Supreme Court involves Mississippi's Gestational Age Act, originally passed in 2018, which allows abortion after 15 weeks only in medical emergencies or severe fetal abnormality. There is no exception for rape or incest.

After months of debate, the Supreme Court announced in May they would take up the challenge to Mississippi's law. Arguments before the court will be heard later this year and a decision is expected next June.
Mississippi is correct.
 
Old 11-28-2021, 05:26 PM
 
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Now this should be the ticket to get young college women voting R.

{sarcasm meter is on}
 
Old 11-28-2021, 05:28 PM
 
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Folks want to deny half of all Americans the individual freedom about how their life will play out.

That’s SICK.
It’s not about what the decision is or whether it’s good or bad. It’s about having the freedom like everyone else to make a decision. SECURITY, MONEY, FAMILY PLANNING, EDUCATION are at stake. Having a child changes ones life.

And also backwards is that women take the hit financially. That’s effects them when they get old.

Men take the hit financially as well. As it is now, a man has no say in whether or not he wants to take on the responsibility and costs for raising a child. Men should be able to "opt out" the same way women now can. It's fundamentally unfair to not allow men a choice.
 
Old 11-29-2021, 06:07 AM
 
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What child? At the time of an abortion, it's generally a clump of cells.
For about the millionth time, the legal precedent of fetal homicide laws have established the fact that unborn children are human lives.
 
Old 11-29-2021, 06:14 AM
 
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Are you saying that clitoral piercing of an adult woman at her request is illegal in those 40 states? How about labial piercings?

Roe makes abortion regulation a Federal issue.
That's not female circumcision, which is what FGM is. And SCOTUS cannot rewrite the Constitution. It takes a Constitutional Amendment to do so. That in and of itself makes Roe an unconstitutional ruling. It should be reversed as the regulation of abortion and all other medical licensing, procedures, etc., is a states' rights issue, not a power or jurisdiction conferred upon the federal government.
 
Old 11-29-2021, 06:17 AM
 
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So, you want to deny equal protection under the law to women?
There would be equal protection on a state by state basis. Again, the US Constitution does not confer upon the federal government the power or jurisdiction to regulate medical licensing, procedures, etc. That's a power of each of the states and their electorates, respectively. Read the 10th Amendment.
 
Old 11-29-2021, 06:25 AM
 
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There would be equal protection on a state by state basis. Again, the US Constitution does not confer upon the federal government the power or jurisdiction to regulate medical licensing, procedures, etc. That's a power of each of the states and their electorates, respectively. Read the 10th Amendment.
The commerce clause gives the Feds nearly unlimited power. If you don't agree, complain to SCOTUS. If states disallow abortion, then women travel in commerce to other states, so the Feds can actually regulate abortion, and other medical issues.
 
Old 11-29-2021, 06:42 AM
 
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The commerce clause gives the Feds nearly unlimited power.
Only for things bought/sold/traded across state lines. Abortions are almost always an in-state procedure.

Furthermore, if what you assert were true, states wouldn't license/regulate medical professionals, facilities, procedures, etc., the federal government would. It doesn't because the commerce clause doesn't apply.

I'll give you an example... I live in a small town about 75 miles from the state border. We have insufficient medical care facilities and practitioners here so my doctors, the hospital, and other medical facilities I use are in the neighboring state. None of it is regulated by the federal government. They're all regulated by the state government in which they're located, even though I'm crossing state lines to access them.
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