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Old 08-02-2021, 12:09 PM
 
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First thing from your link.... "COVID-19 Projections" not actual data.

No one is under reporting deaths in the United States, that's a lie... this isn't china.
You are right it isn’ China, but it is Florida.

https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/flo...r-new-scrutiny

I think given DeSantis’ behavior and pretty clear pandering to the anti-vaxers, and anti-maskers, it would not be shocking to learn that his administration worked to misrepresent (minimize/undercount) the deaths from COVID. But, I would say that as of right now, I know of no proof that the numbers are being manipulated.

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Old 08-02-2021, 01:34 PM
 
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... Herd immunity is at hand.
Herd immunity is nearly impossible without a vaccine. It does not happen naturally. At best some sort of equilibrium would be reached where the number of new cases matches nearly the number of new people being born, and the thing hangs around forever seizing targets of opportunity, like a predator.

If people had realized this last year we could have handled this disease a lot better than we did.
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Old 08-02-2021, 02:17 PM
 
Location: FL
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Having passed Clearwater beach this weekend, even with red tide, this is not the case. As usual it was packed.
Exactly! That is on the east and west coast.
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Old 08-02-2021, 02:50 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Herd immunity is nearly impossible without a vaccine. It does not happen naturally. At best some sort of equilibrium would be reached where the number of new cases matches nearly the number of new people being born, and the thing hangs around forever seizing targets of opportunity, like a predator.

If people had realized this last year we could have handled this disease a lot better than we did.
What happened with the Spanish Flu that last from February 1918 to April 1920 (or 1917 in Trump's version). How did it eventually go away if it wasn't herd immunity?
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Old 08-02-2021, 02:54 PM
 
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First thing from your link.... "COVID-19 Projections" not actual data.

No one is under reporting deaths in the United States, that's a lie... this isn't china.
It is possible Florida has been doing just that. There is a legitimate question about the accuracy of the Florida statistics.

Consider the Rebekah Jones case.

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Jones, who was responsible for building the COVID-19 data dashboard for the Florida Department of Health, was fired last year after raising concerns about “misleading data” being presented to the public, according to the complaint, which was reviewed by the Miami Herald.

In the complaint, filed July 17, 2020, Jones alleged she was fired for “opposition and resistance to instructions to falsify data in a government website.” She described being asked to bend data analysis to fit predetermined policy and delete data from public view after questions from the press — actions she claimed “represent an immediate injury to the public health, safety, and welfare, including the possibility of death to members of the public.”
This has been an interesting tale to say the least.
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Old 08-02-2021, 02:55 PM
 
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Herd immunity is nearly impossible without a vaccine. It does not happen naturally. At best some sort of equilibrium would be reached where the number of new cases matches nearly the number of new people being born, and the thing hangs around forever seizing targets of opportunity, like a predator.

If people had realized this last year we could have handled this disease a lot better than we did.
What happened with the Spanish Flu that last from February 1918 to April 1920 (or 1917 in Trump's version). How did it eventually go away if it wasn't herd immunity?
It never went away.
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Old 08-02-2021, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well the school boards can decide but having some people wearing masks doesn’t make any sense if the goal is to address the spread of the infection.
School boards answer to parents, kids answer to parents... and if parents tell their kids to wear masks then so be it.

Parents decide what best for their families.
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Old 08-02-2021, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It is possible Florida has been doing just that. There is a legitimate question about the accuracy of the Florida statistics.

Consider the Rebekah Jones case.



This has been an interesting tale to say the least.
Hanging onto a lie is the same as Russia-Russia-Russia

The Jones case is revealing she's a loon. Quit bringing up what isn't true... you're promoting a LIE. She is Florida's equivalent of Jesse Smollet and she makes stuff up.

Her civil case was denied, don't create a rabbit hole.

The data reported is accurate and true. No state is lying except NY and the genocide gov. Cuomo.
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Old 08-02-2021, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You are right it isn’ China, but it is Florida.

https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/flo...r-new-scrutiny

I think given DeSantis’ behavior and pretty clear pandering to the anti-vaxers, and anti-maskers, it would not be shocking to learn that his administration worked to misrepresent (minimize/undercount) the deaths from COVID. But, I would say that as of right now, I know of no proof that the numbers are being manipulated.
Why must Gov. DeSantis's position be described as pandering? He's upholding EXISTING rights of individuals.

You calling his protection of our constitutional rights pandering is hyperbole and a false narrative. His position is main line conservative/republican voters, in line with the RPOF and the RNC.
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Old 08-02-2021, 04:00 PM
 
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"Cases" don't matter. The vaccine works to prevent serious illness among the vaccinated. Is DeSantis a dictator? If not, he can't mandate vaccinations.
Less than 1/2 of Florida's population is vaccinated. Given that, more cases absolutely matters. That means no mandates by DeSantis is directly harming his citizens. A governor's job is to take care of the citizens he represents. DeSantis needs to do that job.
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