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Old 09-29-2021, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Contrary to popular liberal belief, we were planning to stay there “forever” and it was solely dementia Joe who trumped it and didn’t listen to his own military commanders.

The facts are simple, this disaster is the result of Biden and Biden a lone.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The top U.S. military officer called the 20-year war in Afghanistan a “strategic failure” and acknowledged to Congress on Tuesday that he had favored keeping several thousand troops in the country to prevent a collapse of the U.S.-supported Kabul government and a rapid takeover by the Taliban.

Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee pointed to the testimony by Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as evidence that President Joe Biden had been untruthful when, in a television interview last month, he suggested the military had not urged him to keep troops in Afghanistan.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...117ae4a70840e6
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:05 AM
 
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Contrary to popular liberal belief, we were planning to stay there “forever” and it was solely dementia Joe who trumped it and didn’t listen to his own military commanders.

The facts are simple, this disaster is the result of Biden and Biden a lone.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...117ae4a70840e6
He sure failed. Glad we are out as that country can go up in flames james for all i care. But we will be back and you can take it to the bank hank.
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:17 AM
 
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Has there ever been a desk jockey general that wanted to end one of our wars? It`s not their legs being blown off by people who don`t want us there. Job security.
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:32 AM
 
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Those years weren’t a “waste” just ask all the thousands Afghans and Americans who were living there in relative peace for the past 20 years.

Troops in Germany and Japan are actually a waste because there is virtually no threat of either country going back to their WW2 days.

A las, our massive defense bill warrants our massive worldwide troop presence, to include current combat zones. So I guess you’ll just have to get used to it.
The "defense" bill needs to be cut by 50% for a start. And you need to read Eisenhower' farewell address.
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:55 AM
 
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Please show me some evidence that Trump had a plan for withdrawal from Afghanistan. I'll even settle for any plan that Trump ever had for anything during his four years in office.
He built many miles of new and rebuilt border walls, even ole; joe f'd that up....

Next....
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And he totally disrespected those who died there serving our country. My cousin is one of them.
I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I apologize, cuz I was checking my watch in the middle of that. I have an important meeting to attend in a few hours.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How many more years would you have liked wasted? 20, 200 ?
We would have pulled out in May, 2021, under a Trump presidency. You know, when the country was safe enough, secure enough and still defended, to allow a safe withdrawal? Definitely not in August, after Biden destroyed our defenses, surrendered the single largest air base, and surrendered the country to the Taliban.


Retreat in the face of a hostile enemy, when that enemy controls the entire country, well.... that's the very worst circumstance to attempt a withdrawal. As Biden clearly demonstrated.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:29 AM
 
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Contrary to popular liberal belief, we were planning to stay there “forever” and it was solely dementia Joe who trumped it and didn’t listen to his own military commanders.
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The facts are simple, this disaster is the result of Biden and Biden a lone. WASHINGTON (AP) — The top U.S. military officer called the 20-year war in Afghanistan a “strategic failure” and acknowledged to Congress on Tuesday that he had favored keeping several thousand troops in the country to prevent a collapse of the U.S.-supported Kabul government and a rapid takeover by the Taliban.

Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee pointed to the testimony by Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as evidence that President Joe Biden had been untruthful when, in a television interview last month, he suggested the military had not urged him to keep troops in Afghanistan.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...117ae4a70840e6
You misunderstand the military's role and relationship.

If the question from the civilian leadership is, "How do we prevent a collapse of the US supported Kabul government and a rapid takeover by the Taliban," then the correct military answer is, "Retain a force of several thousand troops in the country.


But if that's not the question from civilian leadership, then that's not the answer.

It was clear when Trump invited the Taliban to the table that the question from civilian leadership was no longer "How do we prevent a collapse of the US supported Kabul government and a rapid takeover by the Taliban?"
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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(I think most of us agree we should withdraw from Afghanistan, but Biden did it in the worst possible way- exactly opposite of Trump's plan.

My God, Biden, et. al. has left Americans and Afghans who risked their life to ensure our troops were safe over there. What a piece of crap!
Agreed.

Really, could Biden have handled the last eight months any worse, if he had tried? No.

Biden purposely engineered and the worst possible withdrawal, due to his ignorant, destructive and reckless policies. Biden essentially disarmed the Afghan military and surrendered the country to the Taliban - then he started his withdrawal. Pleading with our enemy to be nice, and could they pretty, pretty please, allow Americans citizen and permanent residents to pretty please leave Afghanistan unmolested, pleeeeeease.

And then in the end, our enemy told us to leave. and Biden pleaded "But we still have hundreds of US citizens and green card holder in the country!" But the Taliban's patience had worn too thin, and they ordered Biden to leave Americans behind, so he did.
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Old 09-29-2021, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Please show me some evidence that Trump had a plan for withdrawal from Afghanistan. I'll even settle for any plan that Trump ever had for anything during his four years in office.
Trump had the Taliban sign the Doha agreement, which outlined the withdrawal process. And it certainly did not involve disarming the country and giving it away to the Taliban, before he started to withdraw people
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