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Old 08-16-2021, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell View Post
Also, there is no way to calculate how many millions of people that caught the virus, that just stayed home, until they were well. The 98% is only indicative of the hospitalized numbers.

World COVID-19 Stats

That's been running since March 2020; calculating the numbers from the start utilizing technology that taps into the reporting agencies. If he has had a birthday, he's 18 years old now. I learned about him and his site in the news last year.

If you think you have a source that can nail this any better --- be my guest. So far I haven't seen anything that warrants this much fear, determination and politicization.

Those nurses were on the front-lines during this whole mess and now they are going home rather than take the vaccination and trust, they are use to vaccines and have probably had all their shots, but this one.
Using that site's stats, 0.062545385714286% of the world's population has 'died from Covid'.

 
Old 08-16-2021, 05:53 AM
 
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The main reason that we are in this position is unvaccinated are causing the surge, blame them for not taking a free vaccine and burdening health care workers yet again.
False information no matter how many times you keep repeating it.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 05:54 AM
 
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The main reason that we are in this position is unvaccinated are causing the surge, blame them for not taking a free vaccine and burdening health care workers yet again.
Listen to talking point. Regurgitate talking point. Put fingers in ears. Ignore any opposing viewpoints. Rinse, repeat.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 05:55 AM
 
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The main reason that we are in this position is unvaccinated are causing the surge, blame them for not taking a free vaccine and burdening health care workers yet again.
When an ill conceived soviet project or program would fail they would find a party or parties to scapegoat.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 06:11 AM
 
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What happens to that argument when the CDC approves the vaccine and certifies it for general use?
The CDC can provide recommendations, but it isn't the CDC that approves vaccines for use. It is the FDA that issues any approvals. The COVID Vaccines are currently being given under the FDA's "Emergency User Authorization".

As for the FDA approving it, it depends on when they approve them. If they approve it anytime in 2021 and perhaps even into 2022 it will be seen by many as a "rush" to approval. Vaccines can take 5-10 years to get approved. It takes this long because part of the approval process looks at the long-term effects of a particular vaccine. We are barely 9 months into the Emergency Use Authorization, and almost weekly we hear additional reports about what could be some very serious side effects, generally always regarding the heart or blood clots. Hopefully, they turn out to be wrong or very minor....but it should at least raise an eyebrow into anyone who is taking a critical look at the vaccines.

One of the biggest things you hear from a person who is pushing the vaccinations is "Millions of people have gotten them and have had no problems". But the biggest issue with this statement is that you can vaccinate 99% of the World's population under some "Emergency Use Authorization", but not one of those vaccinations will tell you about any long-term issues that may arise in 2-3 years.

Think about this number. There are currently about 189 Millon people that have received at least one dose, so let's figure that we end up at 200 Million being fully vaccinated. If 99.75% of the people have no serious issues 2-3 years down the road, that leave 0.25% that do. What if those issues cause severe long-term disability or death? That would mean that 500,000 people are now affected after being told that the vaccine was totally "Safe and Effective". Is the sacrifice of those 500K people worth it? Oh, and you can't say..well if they didn't get the vaccine that just shows they would have died anyways from COVID.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 06:17 AM
 
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Entire state of WA is under health care order to vaccinate. Or bust. Deadline October 18. Even if you work from home. Even if you are just related somehow to health care.
Not just a county or a hospital.
I am only wondering, why they hit health care.
Wife is ICU nurse.
She was bagged by her manager to take extra shift yesterday.
Out of seven nurses to be on the floor, FIVE called in.

Her hospital also called three times through the day, offering extra shifts here and there.
And they are going to start firing nurses?
I’m really sorry that this is happening to her and you to as well. It is so extremely short sighted.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 06:19 AM
 
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It certainly may not be fair for any one nurse. But it is all about the health and safety of the patients.
That is not the case. Causing staffing shortages in hospitals is the exact opposite of ensuring the Health and safety of patients. Doctors and nurses were there for patients throughout the pandemic and now they are expendable because they don’t want to take this leaky vaccine.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 06:22 AM
 
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That is not the case. Causing staffing shortages in hospitals is the exact opposite of ensuring the Health and safety of patients. Doctors and nurses were there for patients throughout the pandemic and now they are expendable because they don’t want to take this leaky vaccine.
You really have to wonder if they are beyond even comprehending what they're saying. This is what happens when you just keep regurgitating talking points and don't put an ounce of critical thinking into what you're saying.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 06:24 AM
 
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The main reason that we are in this position is unvaccinated are causing the surge, blame them for not taking a free vaccine and burdening health care workers yet again.
The virus is causing the surge. Vaccinated people are catching it too and they are also spreading it.
 
Old 08-16-2021, 06:27 AM
 
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Why the vax pushers don’t consider that 35% of the population (at least) has had Covid and recovered, is really weird. They want every living person in this country to get the shot, ignoring a huge population of immune people who could harm themselves with a vax and do not need a shot.

Why they keep harping on it is beyond reason. Even if their fantasy wish came true, 100% vaxxed, people who are vaccinated still spread the virus and are hosts for mutations.

For a disease with a survival rate almost the same as seasonal flu, this tyrannical overreaction is getting old and tired. People have their reasons for not wanting the vax. People have the right to control what is injected into their body.

Hospitals will not be overrun like the first time around. It’s almost as though the vax pushers want that to happen so they can show more dramatic outrage. And then there’s the “But the long haulers!! Covid destroys lives!!” Bunch of BS. It’s a new disease. “Long” hasn’t even happened yet. Probably a lot of hypochondriacs anyway.
Thanks for listening.
It's about compliance. How do we know that the shots are really for covid? Because they say so?

When I was younger, if someone had the disease already, they were considered immune and didn't get a vaccine.
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