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Old 10-11-2021, 04:57 AM
 
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How do you think giant old growth trees were cut down by men before power tools were invented?

See, there's all manner of these things called hand tools made for cutting everything from trees to blades of grass. They are operated by hand, powered by people power, used for thousands of years before power tools became popular. Lots of people still use hand tools. And a bonus is there are no emissions from hand tools.

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It doesn't matter , CA doesn't thin their forest anyway!
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:11 AM
 
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So no RV generators. Oh wait, I can just replace my $800 gas generator with $30,000 worth of solar and still have no air conditioning or lights or fridge on cloudy days. Now THAT'S progress!
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:13 AM
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/californi...174600432.html



All sales of off road gas powered equipment banned
"This is a pretty modest approach " Marc Berman, the bill's author, told the outlet."

I'd hate to se what he describes as NOT moderate.

Off roading, dune buggies, etc. are BIG business in Ca.

Looks like even MORE will be moving out!
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:36 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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I don't see the big deal here. This is a states rights issue. Let them do as they wish. The biggest leaps in the progress of mankind tend to come from the pioneers. Maybe the free market will devise better alternatives than the plug in electric garbage we have now. Yes the progressives are a bit nutty but without "progressives" our species would never have evolved... Those first scientists telling the sheeple at the time that the earth was round and not the center of the universe...I have respect for what CA is trying to accomplish.

I heard a poster say that where CA goes the rest of the country follows...maybe not entirely but to some extent. Like it or not life and culture and the universe are not static...change is a constant to living in this matrix. The fact is many of these small 2 and 4 stroke engines are some of the biggest polluters... It's only a matter of time before a better alternative comes along.
Paragraph 2 contradicts paragraph 1. Also, as with "private businesses" just because something is done at the state level doesn't mean people can't criticize it. Yes it's better to handle things at the state level, and let California stand as an example to the rest of us of what not to do. You give a good cause to worry that flies against the message in the rest of your post when you mention that what happens in California may spread to other states though, and you highlight why it is important to criticize other states when they pass laws that you think are insane, and how such criticism does not contradict a state's rights point of view in any way.

It sounds more to me like you just think it's a good law anyway and the whole state's rights thing was just thrown in there as a diversion. You hope to see that law passed in all of the states and the angle about California's individual state rights are a way to dance around the issue.
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I see a huge money-making opportunity in the near future. I just gotta load up the work van with all sorts of mowers, generators and weed trimmers and haul them out to California. Send a note to desperate landscapers to meet at an agreed-upon meeting site and let the bidding begin!

Easy money.
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:47 AM
 
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In the mean time, they have the world's largest polluters sitting right off their shore, cargo ships.
Exactly. And one of those polluters dragged an anchor over a pipeline, causing even more pollution.

Yet it's the gas powered mowers that are the problem....

Good luck to all the small landscaping businesses, now they have to dump their gas powered things and switch to electric. Wonder how efficient it will be for them ?
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:49 AM
 
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"This is a pretty modest approach " Marc Berman, the bill's author, told the outlet."

I'd hate to se what he describes as NOT moderate.

Off roading, dune buggies, etc. are BIG business in Ca.

Looks like even MORE will be moving out!
Exactly. It isn't uncommon to see a $200k sand car, and just as much into the toy hauler / camper out in Glamis.
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Old 10-11-2021, 05:53 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Exactly. It isn't uncommon to see a $200k sand car, and just as much into the toy hauler / camper out in Glamis.
I'm sure there will be loopholes that people who can afford a $200k sand car will be able to exploit.
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Old 10-11-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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I'm sure there will be loopholes that people who can afford a $200k sand car will be able to exploit.
What about the businesses that build them ?
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Old 10-11-2021, 07:47 AM
 
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Actually I do. I am well aware of the power and similar benefits of gasoline engines over electric. At the moment, they are far superior. However, emissions from small engines are significant, and California is pretty forward thinking.
Except with their power generation grid and fires etc. etc. etc. where when there are problems they blame "global warming".

How "forward thinking" is California when they apparently keep getting caught off-guard by global warming affects that they've known about for decades?

On top of that, they've been pushing zero emission nuclear out of the state and passing laws aimed towards increasing electric demand but apparently have no real plan as to how they're going to replace all that lost electricity generation especially as hydro sources are imperiled by low water levels?

I have no problem with being forward thinking but you have to be able to execute on initiatives in reality.

P.S. They've also managed to create some of the highest, fastest rising electricity rates in the country.
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