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Old 10-12-2021, 03:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Feltdesigner View Post
no.. its like calling Obama an offensive word and then working in his cabinet. Once his emails get exposed its resign time for you.

The problem is the friend he sent this to was trying to force Snyder out as owner. Snyder made sure to expose those emails and Gruden was caught with his pants down.

Never talk trash to the people who sign your checks or can one day sign your checks.

If Allen wasn’t already fired he would be as well.

What people like you fail to realize is this investigation is about sexual harassment and toxic behavior in the Washington organization. Gruden and Allen sending nude pics of cheerleaders is being lost in the bigoted word salad.


Gruden screwed up by being friends who worked for an NFL franchise and sending his rants to his employee account.



If you say so. So he really got fired for a email 10 years ago talking about the King. I accept that but stop with the insulting everybody cr@p for using foul language over 2 powerful people. Worse things are said in every game on the field.


So now sending nude pics between 2 people which is legal is a national crisis in the NFL? the league is really going woke.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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Goodell is the top dog of the NFL. Criticism comes with the territory. When you are on top, you don't punch down. He gets booed in every NFL draft by the fans because he is not well liked and his handling of many things in the NFL many people come after him. If he really cares about a personal e-mail 10 years ago about him for a civilian person the Goodell has bigger problems and insecurity issues.
Gruden works in a highly visible position for Goodell. It doesn't mater what you, me, or the fans think of of Goodell, he is (as you said), the top dog. Gruden's views are not just critical of the "top dog," they mock him and insult him- and the direction he is taking the organization. That's grounds for termination just about anywhere, especially if the person doing the contradicting and mocking is in a high level, visible position. It's not about personal insecurities, it's about consistency in an organization.

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Your opinion of calling Goodell efforts to make the workplace "safer" it's just that, an opinion. Many people agree he has made the game worse.
Again, that's irrelevant. My opinion or your opinion doesn't matter. Goodell's matters. He's the boss and he expects those efforts and initiatives to be followed by the people who work for him. That's a very reasonable expectation from corporate leadership. Criticism and pushback is one thing, especially if it's constructive (there's plenty of that), but the repeated name calling of the top dog and mocking of his initiatives is rarely ever going to be tolerated.

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I really doubt your boss is going to fire you for an e-mail you wrote 10 years ago before you work there and how things were in the workplace 10 years ago while giving you a big contract and you are doing your job.
Yes, of course they would! If my boss saw a series of emails from 5-10 years ago where I criticized a number of their biggest initiatives and repeatedly called them the things that Gruden called Goodell, they would be stupid not to fire me. That's a clear indication that I don't support or respect them and I don't believe in the functions I'm being tasked with carrying out. If those emails became public, it would also mean I'm now a liability for hiring and recruitment. They wouldn't care what email address I sent it from. This is very standard stuff.

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Like I said, worse things are said every game in the field and locker and I don't see the league firing players and coaches.
This is classic "whataboutism." There are plenty of players who have done things that should have them banned from the league (and plenty of players have had their careers ended by those things). But that doesn't mean what Gruden did is less of an issue from management's perspective. It also should be pretty clear that a head coach should be held to a higher standard than players when it comes to these things. They have a level of power and influence that also carries a greater level of responsibility. This is true in just about every workplace.

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Calling the head of the union (powerful and rich person) dumb and lips of a tire 10 years ago in an email is not a national crisis. Go after Goodell poor management 10 years ago in an e-mail is not a national crisis. Using foul language in an e-mail when worse things are said every game is not a national crisis. He apologized and you move on. Unless you have something recently and it don't involved Goodell.

So If Goodell is made fun of that means that's an insult to many groups? please.
Who said it's a national crisis? Nobody. Not a single person. What people have said is that it's pretty clear/easy grounds for termination in any private organization. And it is, there's no question about it. You simply can't expect leadership to just let you apologize and move on if they see that you have, in writing, called the top guy a F***** & a P**** on top of using similar language to mock and criticize big decisions he's made for the organization over the past decade. Gruden has his opinions like we all do, but he has to be smarter about how and where he expresses them. What's that old saying about the hand that feeds?
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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The current running back of the Cleveland Browns in ON TAPE beating the crap out of a girl in a hotel lobby.

He's employed by the league as if it didn't happen.

The current QB of the Houston Texans has about 20 sex assault cases on him...he hasn't been fired and likely will land with a new team next year.

Ray Lewis played for years in the NFL after assisting in a stabbing.

BUT, if you say someone is a P***y or has big lips, YOU'RE GONE!

Uh huh, makes sense.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:52 PM
 
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We are soft as a culture if we are upset over WORDS.

Jesus...stop this insanity. The man had an opinion from years ago. Goodell IS clueless. The NFL SHOULDN'T have forced teams to hire people just based on sexual preference, etc.

Stop trying to sterilize everything.
The sick lefties get more upset about words than they do actions.

Just look at their non-reactions when a male black attacks an Asian female.
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:46 PM
 
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To those offended by his emails,…have you read rap lyrics of rappers associated with the NFL?

https://towardsdatascience.com/how-h...e-cb30cb9a8436

https://variety.com/2018/music/opini...ia-1202947049/

https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2020/12/21/...en-in-society/
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Maybe if he didn't just have two losing seasons and a .500 one, he could have gotten away with it.

Gruden's career as head coach is just barely above .500. Who was going to fight for him?
He has a Championship ring and no one can take that away from him.
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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So? Had this come to light....15 years ago, we all would have laughed, and Gruden would not have got fired.


Today, white hetero men can say nothing without being "offensive".


This is effectively An American NEO-APARTHEID. And Gruden is another victim of this neo-apartheid.


Gruden's probably $40MILLION stuffed away, and unlike a low-IQ loser like Lebron, he will be wise with his fortune...
If he had committed a crime such as beating up his girlfriend he would still have his job like some NFL players. Or maybe if his name was Hunter Biden, the media would have ignored his emails.
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Old 10-12-2021, 05:04 PM
 
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The current running back of the Cleveland Browns in ON TAPE beating the crap out of a girl in a hotel lobby.

He's employed by the league as if it didn't happen.

The current QB of the Houston Texans has about 20 sex assault cases on him...he hasn't been fired and likely will land with a new team next year.

Ray Lewis played for years in the NFL after assisting in a stabbing.

BUT, if you say someone is a P***y or has big lips, YOU'RE GONE!

Uh huh, makes sense.
The Texans QB would be starting If not for the assault cases

Today ray Lewis would be fired in the social media era
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Old 10-12-2021, 05:05 PM
 
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He has a Championship ring and no one can take that away from him.
That doesn't make him a great or even good coach
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Old 10-12-2021, 05:27 PM
 
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That doesn't make him a great or even good coach
It does make him a champion, though.
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