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Minds are and have been changed. Over the last 10 years the number of people who agree with scientists that humans are causing climate change has climbed to 66% (Gallup,2019). Clearly it's the Democrats who are on the winning side of the issue; 2/3rds of Americans agree with them.
That’s true. But that doesn’t mean we have the technology to actually solve global warming. There’s only so much wind and solar we can add to the grid before intermittency becomes a serious problem. Wind and solar are expensive to use, even if the wind turbines and solar panels are cheap, because of the need for pack up power and/or batteries. Look at the German renewal energy program if you don’t believe me.
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What about the many working class people in trades, construction and maintenance who build and maintain renewable energy power plants and residential solar?
They’ll have jobs until electricity rates rise to the point of public backlash. Then they’ll be out of work. Americans aren’t going to tolerate the high electricity rates of Germany and Denmark. In America, the poor and working classes are unprotected, so they will be hurt the hardest. We don’t have the Social Democratic political system of Germany and Denmark.
With the technologic and industrial Leviathan we have constructed since the industrial revolution... yes it is. Very difficult. Next to impossible, actually. Unless you are interested in depopulation of about 99% and a pre-industrial revolution agrarian-artisan lifestyle. Or even before that. Perhaps you'd be interested in a hunter-gatherer lifestyle?
Have you ever researched the industrial process to make your solar panels? If you say no to "fossil fuel," you also say no to solar panels and just about everything we use in modern society. Where do you think plastics come from? Does it grow on trees?
Their working on that. This articles from 2008 so go figure.
Doesn’t seem like the process requires very much fossil fuels anyway. Not near enough to effect climate on top of the fact it’s not being burned.
Peak global population and subsequent decline approaches and it seems to me that we can create a quite comfortable existence powered by renewable energies.
And if we can’t figure out a replacement for plastic, maybe we should go extinct.
Actually OP everyone needs to care about climate change, because it affects the whole world. Look at the before and after photos of the glaciers at Glacier National Park in Montana, look at how warm summers are becoming each year, how many more days we have of drought and wildfires in the PNW. This cannot be ignored.
Right now, up near Hudson Bay the polar bears are waiting for the ice to form so they can go hunt seals , guess what they haven't eaten since July and scientists are saying climate change is indeed affecting the water turning to ice and the polar bears having to wait longer to hunt.
Just because something doesn't seem to affect you personally, doesn't mean you should dismiss it.
Actually OP everyone needs to care about climate change, because it affects the whole world. Look at the before and after photos of the glaciers at Glacier National Park in Montana, look at how warm summers are becoming each year, how many more days we have of drought and wildfires in the PNW. This cannot be ignored.
Right now, up near Hudson Bay the polar bears are waiting for the ice to form so they can go hunt seals , guess what they haven't eaten since July and scientists are saying climate change is indeed affecting the water turning to ice and the polar bears having to wait longer to hunt.
Just because something doesn't seem to affect you personally, doesn't mean you should dismiss it.
I’m not saying global warming isn’t real. It is. And it’s happening quickly.
I’m not saying we should dismiss it.
What I’m saying is this: there’s very little we can actually do about it. The proposed “solutions” would hurt the poor and working classes the most. That will drive poor and working class people to the Republicans and right wing populism.
Climate change is a religion. Good luck shaking them of that. A lot of them would rather die than contribute more pollution to this planet, yet they keep polluting like the rest of us. Just look at all those coal powered Tesla's lefties have been driving around... I thought we moved on from using coal for transportation like a century ago? That's why progressives should really be called regressives. They are trying to take our country and the human species backward.
Then people like those living in Florida who deny climate change is true just need to at least build back better after a high powered hurricane hits. Homes in Florida just at least be able to withstand a 150 mph hurricane.
Humans are so powerful we can actually stop the climate from rising by 2 degrees annually if we just halve the global population, sterilize most people, and give up every modern amenity.
If the future is that dire, then that is the only option to save the world.
Naturally, don’t worry about the ones you love the most like celebrities, China, politician celebrities and the politically elite/connected. They will keep living as they do now. It’s you who needs to change. For the climate. For the future. Amen.
The idea that us tiny humans can do anything to change the climate is as much lunacy as the people still seeming to think their beloved vaccines are going to do anything.
Mother nature just smiles and goes about her day.
But depending on what the democrats do, I think this is one of the only issues I can get behind them on.
To me this seems to be where 90% of the tech breakthroughs are going to come from. And how awsome would it be if one day we really could power our home with solar shingles on the roof. That seems to have merit.
Actually they needed to drop the de-fund police thing. The climate change issue is not a bad one, especially if you are a farmer or coastal resident. Or if you are in Texas and now having to deal with massive sub-zero winter storms.
And how are you going to stop these things from happening with a carbon tax and mandating electric vehicles that still have to be built and largely powered using some type of fossil fuels?
Minds are and have been changed. Over the last 10 years the number of people who agree with scientists that humans are causing climate change has climbed to 66% (Gallup,2019). Clearly it's the Democrats who are on the winning side of the issue; 2/3rds of Americans agree with them.
What about the many working class people in trades, construction and maintenance who build and maintain renewable energy power plants and residential solar?
The thing is that you have to demonstrate that these things are actually a viable replacement for current fossil fuel technologies.
And you haven't.
Saying that your going to employ millions by building a perpetual motion machine is one thing.
Proving that it actually works is another.
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