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Old 11-23-2021, 07:24 AM
 
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Its not that dems need to drop it.


What they need to drop are the policies and "solutions" they are promoting because there is no guarantee that these actions will indeed stop, slow or reverse any climate issues.


Their actions will only make life more expensive and limit our choices and make us more dependent on foreign sources of energy in the future.
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Old 11-23-2021, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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It's not that it isn't an issue, it's the way your party handles it. They take the most extreme position on an issue (i.e. banning the sale of ICE vehicles and equipment, etc.) and force everyone to change. If an EV is truly better than an ICE vehicle, wouldn't they sell themselves?

Now, I believe that the climate is changing, but naturally. I'm not against doing something to help the environment, but it must be REASONABLE. That's where your party loses people.

The way your party handles these things comes off as tone deaf, as if it has nothing to do with the climate, but power and control.

I've said for years that the Republican Party would benefit greatly from having some environmental policies that were reasonable and common sense to counter the insanity the Democratic Party is offering.
It doesn't help that Joe and Hunter have their hands in the cookie jar with China when it comes to those Cobalt mines that hold minerals needed for those EVs.
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Old 11-23-2021, 07:34 AM
 
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Several people have pointed out that China is a huge CO2 emitter, and that’s true. That’s another reason the Democrats should drop the climate change issue. Even if the USA dropped its emissions to zero, emissions from China would keep on rising.

Global warming is obviously a global problem, and it would take a global effort to address it. I don’t see that happening, since fossil fuels are still the cheapest source of energy. Only the rich countries can afford to splurge on wind and solar systems, which need expensive backup plants.
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Old 11-23-2021, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Without economical energy, we go back to the 19th century.
Finally, we made America great again.

I think it's a vote loser among working classes because they haven't made it a working class issue. Simple as that. Working class people need good paying jobs. That's it. If all you hear is "reduce, reduce, reduce" what do you think the message is? Prosperity or recession?
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Old 11-23-2021, 07:48 AM
 
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Several people have pointed out that China is a huge CO2 emitter, and that’s true. That’s another reason the Democrats should drop the climate change issue. Even if the USA dropped its emissions to zero, emissions from China would keep on rising.

Global warming is obviously a global problem, and it would take a global effort to address it. I don’t see that happening, since fossil fuels are still the cheapest source of energy. Only the rich countries can afford to splurge on wind and solar systems, which need expensive backup plants.
of course....either directly from China...or indirectly from China from China building new coal plants in other countries

one look at this graph says it all... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ederations.png

Developed countries...including the USA....have not increased CO2 emissions at all

...all of the increase in CO2 has come from China (developing)...and all of the developing countries where China is building more new coal plants

but that was the UN/IPCC's plan all along...

if CO2/global warming was really that dangerous...if they really thought CO2/global warming was really that dangerous

.....you don't give the vast majority of countries permission to increase it

and that's exactly what the UN/IPCC has done....developing countries can increase their CO2 emissions

...and they have...all of the increase in CO2 has come from China/developing countries

This is just another UN/IPCC wealth transfer scam
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Old 11-23-2021, 07:56 AM
 
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Love these topics. Climate change is a hoax used by some to get rich. And the others whining about rising food and fuel prices.

Has anybody looked at the relationship?

Wheat crops were affected by weather. So was coffee. Refineries shut down due to storm damage. And on and on.

There are always some weather events damaging an annual crop. But some are stronger these days
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Old 11-23-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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Several people have pointed out that China is a huge CO2 emitter, and that’s true. That’s another reason the Democrats should drop the climate change issue. Even if the USA dropped its emissions to zero, emissions from China would keep on rising.

Global warming is obviously a global problem, and it would take a global effort to address it. I don’t see that happening, since fossil fuels are still the cheapest source of energy. Only the rich countries can afford to splurge on wind and solar systems, which need expensive backup plants.
It's a scheme that benefits China/Russia.

The more reliable forms of energy are being produced in China and Russia.

Those same reliable forms of energy are being wiped out in the U.S.

We will have to depend on those countries for our energy needs. Costs will go up. Jobs will go down since we aren't producing coal, oil, etc. It all damages the economy in the U.S.
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:17 AM
 
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What both parties need to drop are things that follow either of these two rules:
  • force must be applied to the people for the idea to produce even marginal results
  • the idea is easily shown to be false, nonsensical, illogical, etc.
The federal government's climate change response/proposals follow both rules.

The various "investments" are nothing more than taxes, and taxes are force applied to the people. The various mandates are force applied to the people. The subsidizing of various green energy boondoggles requires taxing or printing money, both of which exert force on the people. Penalizing forms of energy not following their political agenda is force applied to the people.

Based on China alone, the results are negligible at best. I have posted more times than I can remember the easily verifiable fact that since 2014-2015, China's CO2 output alone is more than what US + EU + China output was in 2000, and it has done nothing but increase since that time. This means, for those not so good with 2nd grade math, is that if the US and EU together brought their CO2 emissions to ZERO, as in all carbon based life stopping exhaling, pure zero...the global manmade CO2 output would still be high than it was in 2000 because of China all by themselves. So no matter what mandate, force, oppression the US government comes up with, the results will be negligible.

From both an emissions_per_unit_of_energy standpoint, as well as economical, nothing is better than nuclear generated electricity, and nothing is worse than wind and solar. The only exception to this is where volcanism is naturally high and stable, like Iceland, which makes geothermal economical. This is EASILY observed by going to present day Europe.

The lowest electricity prices in all of the EU are in France, who is also net exporter of electrical power to its neighbors. The highest electricity prices in the EU are in Germany, which directly borders, you guessed it, France. Now ask, which country in the EU has the highest number of nuclear power plants per capita, and which country has the highest amount of windmills, solar and other green energy based electrical generators?

France and Germany tell you everything you need to know about the economics of nuclear vs green energy.

This is not a Dem/Pub thing, it is a common sense economics and logic thing. Most Americans, right or left, are guided by their immediate world and their own common sense. What both parties need to drop is that stuff which has most Americans saying "WTF, that makes no sense, and why should I pay for that?" Climate change is just one of many things they need to shut the eff up about.
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:21 AM
 
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The Democrats need to drop the climate change issue.

Incredible!

That's like a cancer patient dropping chemo.

That's like the USA rolling over and surrendering after Pearl Harbor!

No.

WE do not deny reality, we do not "drop the climate change issue"
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:32 AM
 
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The Democrats need to drop the climate change issue.

Incredible!

That's like a cancer patient dropping chemo.

That's like the USA rolling over and surrendering after Pearl Harbor!

No.

WE do not deny reality, we do not "drop the climate change issue"
LOL you know what not dropping the issue has done? Its caused people to push forward bad ideas, then when those bad ideas turn out to be terrible, they double down on the terrible ideas.
Wind... terrible. requires massive strip mining of rare earth metals... and is ecologically disastrous.
Solar, will never be viable and see above about rare earth metals.
batteries. HORRIBLE IDEA and really ecologically awful.

meanwhile, the issue is solving itself.... .and government idiots screeching about climate change, arent even interested in the actual solutions. they are still pushing the bad ideas.

yea we need to drop it and let the market fix it.
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